Thor is transexual!

[Ideologue]

Very correct.  I like her, as much as I like any latterday Bat-creation.  But there are some issues in her fundamentals.

[Neil]

That's fair.  Cassandra Cain is just my favorite example of terrible execution in practically everything.  ("How do we create the perfect assassin?"  "First, we should make it so she's unable to answer questions at border checkpoints or even understand directions on how to get to where her target is.")

I was going to mention the LSH as a team with a lot of pretty top-notch female characters, although obviously that depends on the writer and often the issue.

I also forgot Ghost Rider.  Now it's an exhaustive list.

Do people still like Ghost Rider?  I was under the impression that he was a creature of the 'bitchin' era of the 90s.

I always liked Huntress.  Remember back in the day when she used to wear all that thick, protective clothing?  I thought that was cool.

[Viking]

Very correct.  I like her, as much as I like any latterday Bat-creation.  But there are some issues in her fundamentals.

Yes, obviously, they dress up as bats and fight crime. I have issues with those fundamentals. But, that is sort of the point comicbook superheroes. You just accept the absurd premise as given and move on from there.


but, for Wonder Woman's enemies. As a non-reader  of the comics I know of Ares, Cheetah, Circe and Giganta. Which is just as much as we know about many other famous characters.

When it comes to great heroic enemies only Batman, Spiderman and the Fantastic Four really have more than one and most of the rest don't even have one.

[jimmy olsen]

Wonder Woman's greatest enemies are the patriarchy and S&M fetishists.

[Viking]

Wonder Woman's greatest enemies are the patriarchy and S&M fetishists.

well at least she's consistent with the daddy issues most other super heroes have.

[merithyn]

Not one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks

While I don't disagree with your other points much, I think this argument is not very valid, because the vast majority of male superheroes are also presented in hyper-masculine way with highly toned physiques in little or skintight clothing. It's very much like pro wrestling that way.

Fair point.

[merithyn]

War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja

In Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja

Athena would be much more appropriate

You're right. She's a complex goddess with many, varied, aspects. What an awful concept for a comic book....

[Viking]

Not one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks

While I don't disagree with your other points much, I think this argument is not very valid, because the vast majority of male superheroes are also presented in hyper-masculine way with highly toned physiques in little or skintight clothing. It's very much like pro wrestling that way.

Fair point.

[merithyn]

I've always enjoyed Jean Grey... or did until the end.

Which Huntress are you talking about, Neil? Batman and Catwoman's daughter, or the mafioso's daughter? I liked the Mafioso's daughter, and the Birds of Prey series, but they don't get the playing time as the bigger named superheroes.

At the same time, I think it would be hard to have the Birds of Prey carry off a movie.

[Viking]

War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja

In Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja

Athena would be much more appropriate

You're right. She's a complex goddess with many, varied, aspects. What an awful concept for a comic book....

She would make for a terribly long running series though. Just think of the "big" characters today. They express already existing literary stereoutypes which already both have social familiarity and a long history of use in literature. Batman = Count of Monte Cristo, Superman = Moses/Jesus, Hulk = Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde, Iron Man = Achilles.

Wonder Woman has the problem of there NOT being a long history of stereotypes for he to draw on. The same would apply to Athena, once you get over the daddy issues and the fact that she is a bit of a bitch.

[merithyn]

She would make for a terribly long running series though. Just think of the "big" characters today. They express already existing literary stereoutypes which already both have social familiarity and a long history of use in literature. Batman = Count of Monte Cristo, Superman = Moses/Jesus, Hulk = Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde, Iron Man = Achilles.

Wonder Woman has the problem of there NOT being a long history of stereotypes for he to draw on. The same would apply to Athena, once you get over the daddy issues and the fact that she is a bit of a bitch.

Again, fair point, but I was talking about Freyja, not Athena.

Freyja has a pretty complex history, with lots of stories told about her.

[Viking]

I've always enjoyed Jean Grey... or did until the end.

Which Huntress are you talking about, Neil? Batman and Catwoman's daughter, or the mafioso's daughter? I liked the Mafioso's daughter, and the Birds of Prey series, but they don't get the playing time as the bigger named superheroes.

At the same time, I think it would be hard to have the Birds of Prey carry off a movie.

Huntress would almost certainly be Helena Bertinelli. Helena Wayne/Kyle is Earth 2. It's only in the New 52 that Helena Wayne comes to Earth 1. But, in a shocking twist, they revived Bertinelli and put her in the new Greyson Comic and this is her

[Eddie Teach]

War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja

In Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja

Athena would be much more appropriate

I think they're rather similar actually, Athena seems more "war-like" because you're comparing her to other Greek gods and Freya to other Norse gods.

[Syt]

War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja

In Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja

Athena would be much more appropriate

You're right. She's a complex goddess with many, varied, aspects. What an awful concept for a comic book....

There is a book, but it's probably not what you'r looking for. Linkara did a review of #1: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/20066-athena-1
(In short: it's awful)

FWIW, his review of #2 was a bit kinder: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43042-athena-2

[Valmy]

That Guy with the Glasses is such a guilty pleasure