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Quote from: Neil on March 17, 2014, 03:01:05 PM
Any gloating from CdM about Irsay's drug arrest should be done here.

Quote from: Neil on March 17, 2014, 05:03:03 PM
I was expecting something about the injustice of how he's going to get community service for his felony counts, whereas if he was a black NFL owner, he'd be getting 10-15 years in prison.

QuoteAlso, can the Ravens lockerroom handle a prima-donna like Steve Smith?

Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 27, 2014, 07:52:04 PM
The details are a little crazy, wow.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24502576/police-jim-irsay-had-nearly-30000-of-cash-when-he-was-arrested

QuoteA day after he was indicted on charges of third-degree aggravated assault for allegedly knocking his fiancée unconscious, Ravens running back Ray Rice and Janay Palmer got married.

Quote from: derspiess on April 23, 2014, 07:42:15 PM
Also as an odd consequence of Obamacare I may end up doing road games.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 23, 2014, 11:13:12 PM
How could that be caused by Obamacare? :unsure:

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 24, 2014, 10:26:33 AM
Any chance this somehow become a full time job?

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 24, 2014, 10:40:59 AM
Don't want to become an Assistant Line Backer Coach, DerFatLine?

QuotePITTSBURGH (AP) -- Chuck Noll, the Hall of Fame coach who won a record four Super Bowl titles with the Pittsburgh Steelers, died Friday night at his home. He was 82.

The Allegheny County Medical Examiner said Noll died of natural causes.

Noll transformed the Steelers from a long-standing joke into one of the NFL's pre-eminent powers, becoming the only coach to win four Super Bowls. He was a demanding figure who did not make close friends with his players, yet was a successful and motivating leader.

The Steelers won the four Super Bowls over six seasons (1974, 1975, 1978 and 1979), an unprecedented run that made Pittsburgh one of the NFL's marquee franchises, one that breathed life into a struggling, blue-collar city.

''He was one of the great coaches of the game,'' Steelers owner Dan Rooney once said. ''He ranks up there with (George) Halas, (Tom) Landry and (Curly) Lambeau.''

Noll's 16-8 record in postseason play remains one of the best in league history. He retired in 1991 with a 209-156-1 record in 23 seasons, after inheriting a team that had never won a postseason game. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993.

''Chuck Noll is the best thing that happened to the Rooneys since they got on the boat (to America) in Ireland,'' Art Rooney II, the former Steelers personnel chief and the son of the team founder, once said.

A former messenger guard for his hometown Cleveland Browns who earned the nicknamed Knute Knowledge - as in Knute Rockne - Noll was an assistant with the San Diego Chargers and Baltimore Colts for nine seasons. Then he accepted what seemed a dead-end job in January 1969 as coach of the NFL's least-successful organization.

Art Rooney Sr. often hired friends and cronies as coaches, and only two of the Steelers' first 13 coaches had winning records. At the time Noll took over, the franchise was 105 games below .500 in its history.

Noll, hired only after Penn State's Joe Paterno turned down a $350,000, five-year offer, was different from any Steelers coach before him. He immediately brought intelligence, toughness, stability, confidence, character and a can-do mindset to a franchise accustomed to constant upheaval and ever-changing personnel.

Perhaps not the most colorful coach behind the microphone, Noll could often be counted on for memorable, motivational one-liners that became rallying cries.

Phrases like ''A life of frustration is inevitable for any coach whose main enjoyment is winning,'' and ''Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it,'' and ''The thrill isn't in the winning, it's in the doing,'' spoke volumes about what Noll was trying to accomplish. They went over well in a football-crazed region of Pennsylvania.

The day after Noll was hired, the Steelers drafted defensive lineman Joe Greene. He was the first of the nine Hall of Famers selected during the Noll era. Four of the others were drafted within Noll's first four seasons: Terry Bradshaw, Mel Blount, Jack Ham and Franco Harris.

Four more arrived in the first five rounds of the 1974 draft: Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth and Mike Webster. And the 1971 draft, though it produced only one Hall of Famer (Ham), generated seven starters.

While the Steelers surprisingly won their opener under Noll in 1969, beating Detroit, they lost their final 13 games that season, and their first three in 1970. By then, some were questioning Noll's hiring.

The Steelers' turnaround began in earnest in 1970, the year they moved into the AFC after the NFL and AFL merged. They drafted Bradshaw with the No. 1 pick, moved into Three Rivers Stadium after years of being a secondhand tenant of Pitt Stadium and Forbes Field. They won five of eight during one stretch.

By 1972, the year Harris arrived to give them the ground game Noll sought, they were championship contenders with an 11-3 record and a we've-turned-the-corner attitude. Noll had long since run off underachievers and pushed the Rooneys to bring in the players he wanted.

''He'll argue a point with you and keep yelling, 'No, this is right, you're wrong,''' Dan Rooney said. ''Sometimes you have to say, 'This is the way we're going to do it.'''

The first traditional playoff game in Steelers history on Dec. 23, 1972, also signaled what was to come. The Steelers were in control of the John Madden-coached Raiders most of the game, until quarterback Ken Stabler scored in the final two minutes to put Oakland up 7-6.

With the Steelers down to fourth-and-10 on their side of the field, Bradshaw lofted a pass downfield intended for Frenchy Fuqua. As Fuqua and safety Jack Tatum converged on the ball, it bounded high in the air for what looked to be a certain incompletion. Instead, Harris, trailing on the play, caught the ball nearly at his shoe tops and raced into the end zone for an improbable touchdown.

Noll's Steelers did not win the Super Bowl that season - they lost to unbeaten Miami on a fake punt in the AFC title game.

But, with their roster completed by their remarkable 1974 draft, they finally became NFL champions and did it three more times by January 1980.

Still, Noll's best team might have been in 1976, when the Steelers rebounded from a 1-4 start to go 10-4 - even with Bradshaw injured and out most of the season - by playing the greatest stretch of defense in NFL history.

The Steel Curtain shut out five of their final nine opponents while yielding only 28 points. At one point, they didn't allow a touchdown for 22 quarters.

A year later, Noll wound up in a federal court trial. He accused Raiders defensive back George Atkinson, who had leveled Swann with a brutal hit the season before, of being part of the NFL's ''criminal element.''

Noll prevailed, but there were hard feelings when, under oath, he included Blount as also being part of that criminal element. The Steelers went 9-5 that season, but rebounded to win the championship in the 1978 and 1979 seasons.

When all the talent began to retire, the championships ended. Great drafts gave way to poor ones. The Steelers won only two playoff games and no conference championships in Noll's final 12 seasons, missing the postseason eight times.

Noll never was much of a yeller or screamer, though he had his moments. He confronted Oilers coach Jerry Glanville at midfield and warned him about the team's borderline-legal blocking techniques.

''He didn't feel like it was his job to motivate,'' Bleier said. ''It was his job to take motivated people and give them a direction and get the job done.''

When he retired, Noll always said he would never coach another team and he didn't.

In 2007, the football field at St. Vincent College, the Steelers' longtime training camp home in Latrobe, was named for Noll, even though he played at and graduated from Dayton.

Born in Cleveland, Noll attended Benedictine High School, where he played running back and tackle, winning All-State honors, before gaining a scholarship to play for the Flyers. He was drafted by the Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh's biggest, most traditional rival, in 1953.

At 27, he retired as a player from the Browns in 1959.

Quote from: sbr on June 14, 2014, 10:34:03 AM
Chuck Noll has died.

QuoteThe offseason only grows colder for Josh Gordon.

NFL Media's Albert Breer confirmed that the Cleveland Browns wide receiver was arrested early Saturday on suspicion of DWI in Raleigh, North Carolina, per the Raleigh Police Department.

Gordon was driving while impaired and clocked going 50 mph in a 35 mph zone, police spokesman Jim Sughrue told NFL Media. He was arrested shortly before 3 a.m. ET and released on bond at approximately 6 a.m. Saturday.

"We are aware of the matter and are disappointed to learn of this situation," Browns general manager Ray Farmer said in a statement. "We will comment further at the appropriate time."

Asked to comment, Gordon's agent Drew Rosenhaus told NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport: "Not at this time."

The Pro Bowler already was awaiting word on his potentially lengthy suspension for a positive drug test.

Rapoport reported Thursday that Gordon's suspension-appeal hearing will be held at the end of July. That appeal could be nixed if the NFL and NFL Players Association strike a deal on a reduced suspension for Gordon, but another arrest certainly clouds the future for last season's league-leading receiver.

It was just over a month ago that Gordon pleaded not guilty to a speeding ticket after he was stopped going 74 mph in a 60 mph zone. His passenger was cited for possession of marijuana.

Gordon, 23, was suspended two games and fined four game checks by the NFL for violating the league's substance abuse policy last year. He also failed at least one marijuana test at Baylor, leading to an indefinite ban.

Gordon has emerged as one of the game's most dangerous pass-catchers and brightest young stars on the field, but it's fair to wonder when he'll play his next snap.

The latest "Around The League Podcast" ranked the best (and worst) quarterbacks in the NFL today.

Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2014, 09:19:28 PM
LFFL 14 has been created.

QuoteEXCLUSIVE: Feds quietly investigating prescription drug abuse in NFL locker rooms, sources say

The Drug Enforcement Administration's probe began after attorneys representing about 1,300 NFL retirees filed a lawsuit accusing the league of illegally handing out painkillers, sleeping pills and other drugs without informing players of the risks of health problems and addiction.

The NFL, still reeling from allegations that it covered up the long-term dangers of concussions, is now facing a possible blitz from federal drug agents looking into the abuse of painkillers and other drugs.

The Drug Enforcement Administration has quietly launched an investigation into the abuse of prescription medication in NFL locker rooms, three sources familiar with the probe told the Daily News.

Agents from the DEA's New York division are reaching out to former players to learn how NFL doctors and trainers get access to potent narcotics such as Percodan and Vicodin or anti-inflammatories such as Toradol, a nonaddictive prescription drug widely used around the league to treat pain.

"They want to find out who provided and distributed the drugs to football players," one source said.

The DEA's investigation began shortly after attorneys representing about 1,300 NFL retirees filed a class-action lawsuit in San Francisco federal court on May 20 that accuses the league of illegally providing prescription drugs to keep players on the field without informing them of the long-term risks. The nine named plaintiffs include Chicago Bears quarterback Jim McMahon and his former teammate, Hall of Fame defensive end Richard Dent, as well as Pro Bowl defensive end Marcellus Wiley, now an ESPN analyst.

"The allegations in our lawsuit, that the NFL has violated state and federal drug laws, have been confirmed by over 1,300 former NFL players," Steve Silverman, an attorney for the former players, told The News on Friday. "We are pleased to learn that the DEA and United States Department of Justice are also taking our clients' allegations seriously and are actively protecting the welfare of NFL players."

The suit filed by Silverman and his colleagues is a catalogue of horrors. Court papers show team doctors and trainers widely distributed painkillers, sleeping pills and other drugs without warning players about the risk of addiction or the dangers of mixing powerful medications. McMahon, according to the lawsuit, became hooked on pain pills, at one point gulping down more than 100 Percocets each month, even in the offseason.

The drugs numbed pain, allowing hurt players to return to the field, but they also led to aggravated injuries and created long-term health problems, the lawsuit claims.
Keith Van Horne, another McMahon teammate on the Bears' 1985 Super Bowl championship team, played an entire season with a broken leg, thanks to what the lawsuit calls "a constant diet of pills to deal with the pain."

Dent suffers from permanent nerve damage because he played eight games of a season with a broken foot, thanks to painkillers, rather than undergoing surgery.

The lawsuit said ex-49ers center Jeremy Newberry suffers from serious kidney failure, high blood pressure and violent headaches as the result of the drugs he received while playing in the NFL.

"One former trainer has described the 1980s and 1990s as 'wild west' in terms of the NFL monitoring the medications provided to its players," the suit said. The allegations in the lawsuit echo earlier reports about prescription drug abuse by The News and other media outlets.

Former Tampa Bay Buccaneers lineman Randy Grimes, for example, told The News in a 2009 story chronicling his successful effort to overcome his painkiller addiction that doctors passed out medication freely, and that players routinely broke into the team drug cabinet to help themselves.
"We'd take handfuls of stuff out of there," Grimes said. "There was no accountability."

Ex-Jets quarterback Ray Lucas, meanwhile, told The News in 2010 that he turned to street drugs after the NFL to deal with pain from football-related injuries in his neck and back. He said he developed an extraordinarily high tolerance for pain medication due to the amount of drugs he used during his NFL career.

The DEA investigation is good news for the players involved in the suit because the feds may uncover evidence unavailable to lawyers pursuing a civil suit, says Robert Boland, a former prosecutor, criminal defense attorney and sports agent. He's now the academic chairman of New York University's Tisch Center for Sports Management.

The NFL declined to comment on the DEA investigation. A spokesman for the Players Association did not respond to an email about the federal inquiry.

A DEA spokeswoman, Erin Mulvey, said she was not aware of an investigation into prescription drug abuse in NFL locker rooms. Speaking generally, she said the DEA is involved in efforts to reduce painkiller abuse because officials believe it has contributed to an increase in heroin use, she said.

Allegations of rampant locker-room prescription drug abuse are part of a broader battle over players' long-term health. A federal judge in Philadelphia gave preliminary approval last week to a settlement that would remove a cap on compensation for players who suffered concussions and other traumatic brain injuries.


Also, NFL retirees have long complained that the disability program the league operates jointly with the Players Association seems designed to reject claims by players physically debilitated by football-related injuries. The NFL, many former players argue, has turned its back on the men who helped turn it into a $9 billion-a-year industry.

"Drug addiction is part of a list of issues players struggle with as they make the transition to retirement," Boland said.

Boland said that while there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggests team officials and medical staff encouraged players to abuse prescription drugs, it will be difficult to prove that league officials played a role.

"I don't think the NFL loves the fact that there is a drug investigation," Boland said. "But in the end, the NFL may be able to successfully say this is a club matter."

Quote from: Valmy on July 16, 2014, 04:38:26 PM
Do you have to join a union?  Because that would make me giggle.

Quote from: derspiess on July 16, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
I'll be doing on-field tech support, not some lazy-ass union gig.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2014, 11:44:21 PM

Quote from: derspiess on July 16, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
I'll be doing on-field tech support, not some lazy-ass union gig.

:lol: Like playing, or refereeing?

QuoteUrination on Art Modell's grave 'disappointing and disrespectful,' cemetery says
By Jon Meoli The Baltimore Sun

12:19 p.m. EDT, July 24, 2014

Baltimore County police are investigating an incident in which a man in a Cleveland Browns jersey videotaped himself urinating on former Ravens owner Art Modell's grave, a spokeswoman said.

"There is a statute on the books that regulates disorderly or indecent conduct in a cemetery," county police spokeswoman Elise Armacost said in an email Wednesday. "They have to look at the video to see if the behavior depicted fits the statute. ... Also, Pikesville officers are reaching out to the cemetery to see if they wish to pursue the matter, if indeed a crime did occur."

Also, Pikesville officers are reaching out to the cemetery to see if they wish to pursue the matter, if indeed a crime did occur.

Armacost said the incident would be a misdemeanor crime if pursued. David Modell, Art Modell's son, said the family will file charges if the person is found.

"To some people, the man in that grave is Art Modell," David Modell said, adding that his late mother, Patricia, was also laid to rest at that location. "But to me, my brother, my children, and my wife, that's their father. That's their grandfather. ... Can any of your readers imagine, for one second, seeing someone do that to your parents' grave?

"The act is so offensive, and I'd like to publicly say, isn't enough enough? When is enough enough? It's a vile, piggish act of online cowardice by Mr. BrownsFan4Life [referring to the uploader]."

Modell went on to say the act was "incredibly distasteful, revolting, and mean-spirited."

"We will file charges," Modell said. "Absolutely will file charges. Whatever we can throw at him, that's what's going to happen."

A Druid Ridge Cemetery spokeswoman on Wednesday called the fan's action "disappointing and disrespectful."

Kim Tarleton, the spokeswoman, said visitors are asked to notify staff of any inappropriate behavior on the cemetery grounds, at which point appropriate action would be taken.

"We take the safety and security of our park very seriously," she said. "However, cemeteries, by their nature, are open to the public, so it would be unrealistic to restrict all access to the property."

The fan posted a video of the incident on YouTube last week under the username "BrownsFan4Life." In the video, he tears off an Ed Reed Ravens jersey to reveal a Browns jersey and then apparently urinates out the bottom of his pants leg using a catheter and a tube.

"I'm [urinating] on Art's grave," the man says in the video, before going into a diatribe ending with Modell's own words about how he "had no choice" but to move the Browns to Baltimore.

QuoteThe fan posted a video of the incident on YouTube last week under the username "BrownsFan4Life." In the video, he tears off an Ed Reed Ravens jersey to reveal a Browns jersey and then apparently urinates out the bottom of his pants leg using a catheter and a tube.

"I'm [urinating] on Art's grave," the man says in the video, before going into a diatribe ending with Modell's own words about how he "had no choice" but to move the Browns to Baltimore.

Quote from: derspiess on July 25, 2014, 08:30:26 AM
He voluntarily used a catheter?  That's a hard-core fan.

And Ray Rice's almost-total-lack-of-punishment: Wow.  Need to get the feminazis mobilized on this one.

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 25, 2014, 08:35:45 AM
I'm sure the fatties at Gawker/Deadspin/Jezebel are outraged.

Quote from: derspiess on July 25, 2014, 08:30:26 AM
And Ray Rice's almost-total-lack-of-punishment: Wow.  Need to get the feminazis mobilized on this one.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 25, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
I bet you're not.  Not during the 90 day probationary period. :P

Quote from: derspiess on July 28, 2014, 05:15:19 PM
Jason Campbell is just plain terrible

QuoteReport: NFL Drug Testing Is Screwed Up And Screwed Josh Gordon

Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk has some very interesting details about Josh Gordon's failed marijuana test that has him facing a full-season suspension. And if it's true, the NFL's drug testing procedure is more messed up than we could have imagined—and Josh Gordon doesn't deserve a suspension.

Gordon's appeal of his 16-game suspension, which is scheduled to be heard on Friday, will reportedly hinge on inconsistencies in measurement of his urine sample, which was split into two containers. Florio:

QuoteUrine samples routinely are split into two bottles, the "A" bottle and the "B" bottle. If the "A" bottle generates a positive result, the "B" bottle is tested. Amazingly, the "B" bottle doesn't have to independently show a violation. Instead, the substance abuse policy states that the "'B' bottle Test need only show that the substance, revealed in the 'A' bottle Test, is evident to the 'limits of detection' to confirm the results of the 'A' bottle Test."

[...]

For Gordon, the "A" bottle showed a concentration of 16 ng/ml, only one nanogram per milliliter above the limits of 15. The "B" bottle showed a concentration of 13.6 ng/ml — less than the threshold.

To emphasize, Gordon's "A" and "B" bottles came from the same urine sample. The "B" was only tested to confirm that the "A" wasn't tainted or wildly out of bounds—it doesn't matter that the "B" wouldn't have been a violation had it arbitrarily been labeled the "A" bottle, or that there was a sizable discrepancy between the two tested bottles. It's tough shit for Josh Gordon, despite the fact that his urine averaged out to be below allowable limits.

But, this is how the NFL's Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse (the renegotiation of which has more or less been going on for three years) dictates testing should go. It's the same document that mandated Gordon, a repeat offender, be tested every few days.

QuotePer a source with knowledge of the situation, Gordon landed in Stage III of the program last year as part of a negotiated two-game suspension for the use of cough syrup that contained codeine. Once in Stage III, a player never leaves. And he must pass up to 10 drug tests per month.

According to the source, Gordon has passed at least 70 drug tests.

The NFL's marijuana policy is a retrograde embarrassment. It's not technically on appeal here, in what sounds like a pretty strong case for Josh Gordon, but maybe it should be.

Update: Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, Gordon's appeal will also maintain that his drug test was so marginally positive that it could have been the result of second-hand smoke.

Update No. 2: Bomani Jones has a different way to look at how screwed up the NFL's policy on marijuana is:

Quotehere's what's lost in this josh gordon story: the nfl threshold for marijuana is 15 ng/nl. the wada (World Anti-Doping Agency) standard? 150. ONE HUNDRED FIFTY.

QuoteGordon's appeal will also maintain that his drug test was so marginally positive that it could have been the result of second-hand smoke.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2014, 09:34:38 PM

QuoteGordon's appeal will also maintain that his drug test was so marginally positive that it could have been the result of second-hand smoke.

Meh, we didn't buy that one, either.  You've got to inhale a shit ton to get it into your bloodstream in order to test positive above the margins from "second-hand smoke".

Quote from: alfred russel on July 29, 2014, 09:46:51 PM
Stephen A Smith suspended from ESPN for a week for saying stupid shit about the Ray Rice situation. Seems kind of unfair to hire guys to say stupid shit and "embrace the debate" and then suspend one of your top bullshit purveyors for not immediately realizing this is the one topic you shouldn't stay stupid shit about.

Quote from: sbr on July 29, 2014, 10:44:22 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2014, 09:34:38 PM

QuoteGordon's appeal will also maintain that his drug test was so marginally positive that it could have been the result of second-hand smoke.

Meh, we didn't buy that one, either.  You've got to inhale a shit ton to get it into your bloodstream in order to test positive above the margins from "second-hand smoke".

Out of curiosity, do you know what those test limits were? 

Note again that the NFL's limits are 10 times lower than those of the World Anti-Doping Agency's.  I would assume that means the NFL limits are unusually low.

Quote from: Barrister on July 29, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
Okay, so here's the thing about marijuana and THC - it remains at detectable levels in urine for days, even weeks.

As a result it's impossible to draw conclusions about specific numbers or concentrations - all a drug test can tell you is that if you detect cannabinoids then that person has consumed some amount of majijuana in the last several days.

Quote from: Barrister on July 29, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
Okay, so here's the thing about marijuana and THC - it remains at detectable levels in urine for days, even weeks.

As a result it's impossible to draw conclusions about specific numbers or concentrations - all a drug test can tell you is that if you detect cannabinoids then that person has consumed some amount of majijuana in the last several days.

• The NFL's test limits are very, very low. 15ng/ml which is 10 times lower than the World Anti_Doping Agency and 3 times lower than most government-required testing programs.


• He has been tested up to 10 times a month since last year and passed them all.  An unnamed source says he has passed 70 tests.


• If the tester had randomly put the 'B' label on the other cup Gordon would not have failed this test.


• The sample that failed was 1 ng/ml over the limit, the 'B' sample was not over the limit and the two averaged together was below the very low limit.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2014, 11:53:01 PM

Quote from: Barrister on July 29, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
Okay, so here's the thing about marijuana and THC - it remains at detectable levels in urine for days, even weeks.

As a result it's impossible to draw conclusions about specific numbers or concentrations - all a drug test can tell you is that if you detect cannabinoids then that person has consumed some amount of majijuana in the last several days.

Dirty water is dirty water.  Actually, I'm glad the NFL has stricter rules for positive than the World Doping people; don't they regulate the Olympics and Tour de France?  Case: rested.

Quote from: sbr on July 30, 2014, 12:31:15 AM
I'm not pissy (or a stoner), but it amuses me that the majority of the NFL's fanbase is more accepting of violence than recreational drug use by players in the off season.

Quote from: sbr on July 30, 2014, 12:31:15 AM
I'm not pissy (or a stoner), but it amuses me that the majority of the NFL's fanbase is more accepting of violence than recreational drug use by players in the off season.

Quote from: Valmy on July 30, 2014, 08:13:25 AM

Quote from: sbr on July 30, 2014, 12:31:15 AM
I'm not pissy (or a stoner), but it amuses me that the majority of the NFL's fanbase is more accepting of violence than recreational drug use by players in the off season.

It is just a woman.  The majority of the NFL fanbase does not consider them people.

Quote from: Valmy on July 30, 2014, 08:13:25 AM

Quote from: sbr on July 30, 2014, 12:31:15 AM
I'm not pissy (or a stoner), but it amuses me that the majority of the NFL's fanbase is more accepting of violence than recreational drug use by players in the off season.

It is just a woman.  The majority of the NFL fanbase does not consider them people.

QuoteWomen represent approximately 45 percent of the NFL fan base, according to Scarborough Research, and approximately 33 percent of the NFL viewing audience based on Nielsen data.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 03, 2014, 08:17:02 PM
The HoF game started about an hour or so ago, btw.  Just in case anyone was really jonesing for football.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 03, 2014, 11:25:56 PM
CFL sucks too much.

Quote from: Valmy on August 04, 2014, 10:37:05 AM
CFL > NFL preseason.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 04, 2014, 03:43:15 PM

Quote from: Valmy on August 04, 2014, 10:37:05 AM
CFL > NFL preseason.

We had a CFL team here back in the 1990's.  It was popular, a fun (and affordable) summer night out and they put a great effort into it after being dickteased by the NFL year after year, but by the middle of the 3rd quarter you just wanted to go the fuck home.

It was not the NFL, and having a CFL team was like kissing your sister;  sure she had a decent set of tits, but it just didn't feel right.

Quote from: Valmy on August 04, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
They were good enough for Johnny Unitas.  Who did those CFL punks think they were?

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 04, 2014, 04:46:04 PM
I'm pretty sure the Texans (SA CFL team) made it to the playoffs in their one year of existence.  They showed up like...I think the year after the WLAF team, the Riders, folded. 

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 04, 2014, 10:14:04 AM
The LFFL 14 draft is this Sunday guys.

League has currently 12 teams, is that the final number?

Quote from: Valmy on August 04, 2014, 04:52:29 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 04, 2014, 04:46:04 PM
I'm pretty sure the Texans (SA CFL team) made it to the playoffs in their one year of existence.  They showed up like...I think the year after the WLAF team, the Riders, folded. 

The Riders played in San Marcos.  I went to a couple of their games.  Babe Laufenberg was on the team.

Quote from: derspiess on August 04, 2014, 04:48:57 PM

Quote from: Valmy on August 04, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
They were good enough for Johnny Unitas.  Who did those CFL punks think they were?

Dunno, but they didn't do anything to improve them once NFL teams started playing there again.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 04, 2014, 03:43:15 PM

Quote from: Valmy on August 04, 2014, 10:37:05 AM
CFL > NFL preseason.

We had a CFL team here back in the 1990's.  It was popular, a fun (and affordable) summer night out and they put a great effort into it after being dickteased by the NFL year after year, but by the middle of the 3rd quarter you just wanted to go the fuck home.

It was not the NFL, and having a CFL team was like kissing your sister;  sure she had a decent set of tits, but it just didn't feel right.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 04, 2014, 08:21:20 PM
Except to say there was only going to be a 24 month wait until they were in a new stadium.   :blurgh:

Quote from: sbr on August 05, 2014, 07:50:08 AM
It sounds like hey gets $25 million over the first 2 years, then is owed little else if he is cut.  At this point it is just a big 1 year extension, which I can't argue with.

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 05, 2014, 08:39:09 AM
The red retard isn't worth 5 bucks.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 05, 2014, 06:54:14 AM
Anyway, Andy Dalton got himself some bucks yesterday, or will if he makes it through the full contract and hits the playoff goals for bonus dollars, so...he won't make those bucks.   :P 

6 years, $115million.  Something like 17 guaranteed the first year. 

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 05, 2014, 09:01:00 AM
Somebody is getting defensive.

Quote from: derspiess on August 05, 2014, 08:31:44 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 04, 2014, 08:21:20 PM
Except to say there was only going to be a 24 month wait until they were in a new stadium.   :blurgh:

24 months is a long time to go without having partitions around the shitters.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 05, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
For fuck's sake, the Bengals were there twice. Deal.

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 04, 2014, 10:14:04 AM
The LFFL 14 draft is this Sunday guys.

League has currently 12 teams, is that the final number?

Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2014, 04:02:37 PM
Lot of awesome in this pic from 1980:

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Quote from: sbr on August 07, 2014, 11:22:09 PM
wat game?

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2014, 08:47:21 AM
At least a Bengals QB was throwing up something other than interceptions for a change, nyuk nyuk

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2014, 10:25:59 AM
I agree, he's their best option as opposed to what was out there in the draft or FA;  he, like the rest of the team, just needs to learn how to close games.  They need to learn how to win.

QuoteUnfortunately, I don't think Marvin's the man for the job, but that's the Browns for you; loyal to a fault.  Any other owner would be on their 3rd head coach by now in the time it's taken Marvin Lewis to compile a mediocre career.

QuoteAccording to Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun, Rice received a standing ovation when introduced before the game, and numerous reports said fans welcomed him with cheering. Also, Wilson and ESPN's Jamison Hensley observed that boos were not heard as Rice entered the field before Baltimore's 23-3 win vs. San Francisco.

Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2014, 10:30:46 PM
Never thought I'd see a QB puke three times on the field (once pre-snap and twice after the play) and then turn around and throw a TD pass the next play.  I don't care if it's preseason, that was awesome.

QuoteMATT SCOTT IS WILLIE BEAMEN

The Bengals quarterback puked twice then threw a touchdown pass in Thursday night's preseason game against the Chiefs.

All that remains is releasing a rap track where he boasts of having the ladies creaming then taking Andy Dalton's job. Oh, and Marvin Lewis somehow turns into Al Pacino and Mike Brown becomes Cameron Diaz. That should happen.

Quote from: Valmy on August 08, 2014, 11:08:28 AM
NFL fans love a man who knows how to treat a woman:

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 08, 2014, 11:22:19 AM
Anyone know if Katmai is back from Vacation? The LFFL is at an uneven number & we probably need to postponed the draft a week or 2.

Quote from: derspiess on August 08, 2014, 09:37:00 AM
I think Jason Campbell showed Bengaldom last night why the team wants to keep Andy Dalton.

Quote from: FunkMonk on August 09, 2014, 03:22:41 PM
Oh shit, forgot about the LFFL.

I just accepted the invite. I think the league is at 14 teams now.

Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2014, 06:49:04 PM
Moldy, yes I was bribed by the Danish offical yet he apparently still fucked up.

I too had to auto draft so will have to live with Johnny football as my backup and New England for my D.

Quote from: Liep on August 10, 2014, 07:09:38 PM

Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2014, 06:49:04 PM
Moldy, yes I was bribed by the Danish offical yet he apparently still fucked up.

I too had to auto draft so will have to live with Johnny football as my backup and New England for my D.

If Peyton shows up like last year I'll do respectable.

Quote from: Liep on August 11, 2014, 03:56:00 AM
Maybe better, I see I'm among the only two who've been awarded the grade A by Yahoo after the draft.

Quote from: Neil on August 11, 2014, 09:11:53 AM
I got an A-.

Quote from: Neil on August 11, 2014, 09:11:53 AM
Yahoo also overrates running backs for some reason.  It's like they don't actually watch football.

I got an A-.

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on August 11, 2014, 09:51:16 AM

Quote from: Neil on August 11, 2014, 09:11:53 AM
Yahoo also overrates running backs for some reason.  It's like they don't actually watch football.

I got an A-.

All the fantasy "experts" seem to overrate running backs.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 11, 2014, 10:14:01 PM
—In what many claim is further evidence pointing to the NFL’s growing problem with its locker-room culture, sources confirmed Monday that former Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel was forced to wear a Cleveland Browns jersey as part of a particularly cruel form of rookie hazing. “

Quote from: alfred russel on August 18, 2014, 11:25:36 PM
Manziel flips off the redskins. We should set odds on what will destroy his spirit first: an NFL defender tired of hearing about Manziel, or the league office.

Quote"It was hilarious," said Redskins linebacker Brian Orakpo, who was pegged by one teammate as the instigator. "We were messing with him a little bit, just saying this ain't college and stuff like that. We were having a little fun.

"Manziel flipped us off. It was something funny. We were all laughing on the sidelines."

QuoteRihanna, Katy Perry, or Coldplay might be doing the Super Bowl halftime show this year—that is, if they're willing to pay up. According to The Wall Street Journal, the NFL has narrowed down its list of potential performers for the 2015 gig to those three candidates, though it's also asking "at least some of the acts" if they'd be willing to pay the league for the privilege of playing the halftime show—something that's absolutely insane, but not 100 percent unreasonable, considering how many people actually watch the performance. Alternately (and this is where it gets wacky), they should "be willing to contribute a portion of their post-Super Bowl tour income to the league."

While the Super Bowl halftime show is obviously a choice gig, the idea that the NFL thinks it should then be owed part of Katy Perry's tour revenue is laughable. If anything, it seems like Perry's touring potential would only diminish after the show, after all her casual fans catch the few songs they want to see during her seven-minute halftime slot for free. Of course, the NFL could point to Beyoncé's post-Super Bowl tour earnings as an example of how the halftime show can ramp up revenue—but that's an anomaly, helped by the fact that Beyoncé hadn't been on in the road in years, and by being Beyoncé.

Quote from: Valmy on August 19, 2014, 08:10:27 AM
Anyway RGIII is ok but maybe this means the Redskins will consider having three QBs.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2014, 02:59:38 PM

Quote from: Valmy on August 19, 2014, 08:10:27 AM
Anyway RGIII is ok but maybe this means the Redskins will consider having three QBs.

Going to have to;  he's not going to see yhe end of October.  Obviously didnt learn his lesson his rookie year.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 20, 2014, 10:31:24 AM
Marcus Allen called, said for you to stop talking out of your ass about him.

Quote from: Liep on August 21, 2014, 09:10:26 AM
Rihanna, Katy Perry and Coldplay are on the shortlist for the NFL Halftime Show. Great.

Quote from: derspiess on August 21, 2014, 11:32:17 AM

Quote from: Liep on August 21, 2014, 09:10:26 AM
Rihanna, Katy Perry and Coldplay are on the shortlist for the NFL Halftime Show. Great.

They should pay me to watch them.  Though I'd watch Katy Perry for free, with the sound turned down.

Quote from: Valmy on August 19, 2014, 08:10:27 AM
Brian Orakpo laughs at Aggies:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2014, 08:00:08 PM
Hey Neil, be sure to catch the Foreskins-Ravens highlights tonight.  Steve Smith plays like this all season?  Wow.

Quote from: derspiess on August 21, 2014, 11:32:17 AM

Quote from: Liep on August 21, 2014, 09:10:26 AM
Rihanna, Katy Perry and Coldplay are on the shortlist for the NFL Halftime Show. Great.

They should pay me to watch them.  Though I'd watch Katy Perry for free, with the sound turned down.

Quote from: Neil on August 24, 2014, 11:12:14 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2014, 08:00:08 PM
Hey Neil, be sure to catch the Foreskins-Ravens highlights tonight.  Steve Smith plays like this all season?  Wow.

I recorded the game off the NFL Network and watched it this morning.  I liked the play by both Smiths, but especially Steve.  That guy's compete level is just so high, and he is just so sure in making plays with the ball.  Even that one he double-clutched turned into a nice gain.  And that little nudge off the CB on that touchdown was magic.  It's like the second coming of Anquan Boldin, even if he's not quite as big.  He's definitely as hungry, and after spending all those years in the football gulag of Carolina, I can understand why.

I did find the running game a bit troubling though.  If that's all the push the line can get on those power running plays, then that's not so hot.  And did Pierce get concussed when he got blown up in the backfield?  Yikes.  The Polish Hammer did alright, aside from that one huge whiff.  I like watching him catch and run.  Less of a battering ram than Leach, but also a little more agile.  The all-sub corner corps is interesting.  I hope the real guys will be ready in two weeks.

QuoteAn ESPN poll of NFL front office personnel and coordinators had good things to say about Ravens coach John Harbaugh, who checks in among the top quarter of NFL head coaches.

Harbaugh came in ninth in the poll conducted by ESPN's Mike Sando, which asked 30 NFL industry sources to rate the coaches on a 1-5 scale, with one being best and five being the worst. The scores were then averaged, with the lowest average number being the best.

Harbaugh's score placed him firmly in the second-tier of NFL coaches and one spot behind his brother, Jim, who coaches the San Francisco 49ers.

Harbaugh's on-field success can't be questioned, as Sando points out. The Super Bowl XLVII winner has a career .651 winning percentage as a head coach, and the Ravens' 71 wins since he took over are second only to New England, whose coach, Bill Belichick, ranks atop this list.

The piece is behind ESPN's Insider paywall, so out of deference, I won't spoil the entire thing. Harbaugh likely won't be happy that he's just behind his brother, but he's in a tier with fellow Super Bowl winners Tom Coughlin (New York Giants), Mike McCarthy (Green Bay Packers), and Mike Tomlin (Pittsburgh Steelers).

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2014, 07:19:35 AM
and now you're dissing Harbaugh, and ranking him beneath his more impatient, psychopath brother? 

Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2014, 09:13:22 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2014, 07:19:35 AM
and now you're dissing Harbaugh, and ranking him beneath his more impatient, psychopath brother? 

I WANT IT NOW!  I WANT CAKE NOW!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQzni6JZuGw#t=28

QuoteSan Jose police Sgt. Heather Randol confirmed that McDonald, 29, was taken into custody early Sunday after officers responded to a call at 2:48 a.m. PT.

McDonald was jailed on felony domestic violence charges and is in the custody of the Santa Clara Sheriff's Department, according to Randol. There is no timetable for McDonald's release since bail typically isn't set for domestic-violence cases until arraignment.

Niners general manager Trent Baalke said in a statement Sunday that the team takes "such matters seriously," but is not commenting on the allegations involving McDonald without more information.

The incident occurred on Bentley Ridge Drive, part of an upscale San Jose neighborhood. It is the same street where McDonald's teammate, star pass rusher Aldon Smith, was arrested for DUI following a single-car accident last September. Smith has been suspended nine games for multiple off-field incidents.

McDonald also has an arrest for DUI on his record in Santa Clara County in 2010.

Sunday's incident occurred less than three days after NFL commissioner Roger Goodell announced tougher penalties for players accused of domestic violence. Under the league's newly implemented personal conduct policy, a first domestic-violence offense will result in a six-game ban and a second in a lifetime ban from the NFL.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2014, 07:19:35 AM
Really, ESPN?  First Joe Flacco is ranked beneath Matt Ryan and Tony Romo, and now you're dissing Harbaugh, and ranking him beneath his more impatient, psychopath brother? 

And you people wonder why I have a problem with the entrenched anti-Baltimore sentiment in the NFL, NFL Properties and the Lamestream Media.  Fucking assholes.  I hope Ray Lewis knocks up all your white daughters.

QuoteAn ESPN poll of NFL front office personnel and coordinators had good things to say about Ravens coach John Harbaugh, who checks in among the top quarter of NFL head coaches.

Harbaugh came in ninth in the poll conducted by ESPN's Mike Sando, which asked 30 NFL industry sources to rate the coaches on a 1-5 scale, with one being best and five being the worst. The scores were then averaged, with the lowest average number being the best.

Harbaugh's score placed him firmly in the second-tier of NFL coaches and one spot behind his brother, Jim, who coaches the San Francisco 49ers.

Harbaugh's on-field success can't be questioned, as Sando points out. The Super Bowl XLVII winner has a career .651 winning percentage as a head coach, and the Ravens' 71 wins since he took over are second only to New England, whose coach, Bill Belichick, ranks atop this list.

The piece is behind ESPN's Insider paywall, so out of deference, I won't spoil the entire thing. Harbaugh likely won't be happy that he's just behind his brother, but he's in a tier with fellow Super Bowl winners Tom Coughlin (New York Giants), Mike McCarthy (Green Bay Packers), and Mike Tomlin (Pittsburgh Steelers).

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2014, 01:34:06 PM
Baby Brudder always trying to compete with Big Brudder:

Quote from: garbon on September 02, 2014, 08:43:06 AM
What of the injustice done to my people? :angry:

Quote from: derspiess on September 02, 2014, 08:53:20 AM

Quote from: garbon on September 02, 2014, 08:43:06 AM
What of the injustice done to my people? :angry:

:console:  Maybe one day African Americans will get a fair shot to compete in the NFL.

Quote from: derspiess on September 02, 2014, 08:53:20 AM

Quote from: garbon on September 02, 2014, 08:43:06 AM
What of the injustice done to my people? :angry:

:console:  Maybe one day African Americans will get a fair shot to compete in the NFL.

Quote from: Valmy on September 02, 2014, 10:08:15 AM
Anyway Michael Sam just needs to wait a bit for people to start getting injured.

Quote from: derspiess on September 02, 2014, 12:51:00 PM

Quote from: Valmy on September 02, 2014, 10:08:15 AM
Anyway Michael Sam just needs to wait a bit for people to start getting injured.

He ought to make a political statement by renouncing his US citizenship and accepting the offer to play in the more enlightened CFL.

Quote from: Barrister on September 02, 2014, 01:18:41 PM
What's more enlightened about the CFL? :unsure:

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 02, 2014, 01:59:37 PM
But that's Jim Pop schtick. He probably called Rodgers camp too considering the Als trouble at QB this year.

Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2014, 02:59:56 PM
What the hell is a negotiation list?

Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
If they are secret how do you know two teams don't have the same guy on their list?