Tea Partiers harassed by IRS?

[merithyn]

If the IRS doesn't rule, the organization gets to claim the deduction in the meantime.

Do they keep that deduction even if their application is later rejected?

As no applications have been rejected to this point, that's a hypothetical question.

I had heard that a Democrat organization had been rejected. Is that not so?

[derspiess]

Then you are setting up the following choice:

a) Obama is horrible because of what he did in these terrible "scandals"; or
b) Obama is horrible because he had nothing to do with these terrible "scandals", which proves that he does nothing.

It's pretty clear that you've decided that Obama is horrible, whatever the fact pattern.

What have I said about what Obama did in these scandals?  You're acting like I've given the impression that I think Obama is some sort of evil genius pulling all the strings, and I don't believe I have.

Well... I asked you if you conceded there was no substance to the scandals, and you did not. So it seems you're still trying to have it both from piles a) and b), or maybe just from one of them - as long as the conclusion is that Obama is horrible. You have not allowed for, even theoretically, a scenario in which Obama is not horrible in relation to the IRS and Benghazi "scandals".

Not true.

So yeah it seems pretty clear that you started with your conclusion and are working backwards from there.

Then by all means feel free to ignore me if my criticism of Obama is baseless.

[CountDeMoney]

I had heard that a Democrat organization had been rejected. Is that not so?

Who cares.  Not relevant to the witch hunt.

[Kleves]

As no applications have been rejected to this point, that's a hypothetical question.

I've not been following this "scandal" (or any of the others) that closely; are you saying that no group has ever been rejected for this kind of tax exempt status since 2010? If so, that seems like a scandal in itself.

In any case, the "hypothetical" question could be pretty important for groups waiting for their applications to be processed, and could have a chilling effect even if their application is not eventually rejected.

[Admiral Yi]

Seems like a totally nonhypothetical question to me.  Unless the IRS regs explicitly say "we'll cross that bridge when we get to it."

[The Minsky Moment]

It's non-hypothetical.

They keep the deduction unless the IRS rules against them, the IRS ruling is then upheld in administrative proceedings, and then a Court rules against the taxpayer and finds no legal entitlement to the deduction. 

[Razgovory]

Then you are setting up the following choice:

a) Obama is horrible because of what he did in these terrible "scandals"; or
b) Obama is horrible because he had nothing to do with these terrible "scandals", which proves that he does nothing.

It's pretty clear that you've decided that Obama is horrible, whatever the fact pattern.

What have I said about what Obama did in these scandals?  You're acting like I've given the impression that I think Obama is some sort of evil genius pulling all the strings, and I don't believe I have.

Well... I asked you if you conceded there was no substance to the scandals, and you did not. So it seems you're still trying to have it both from piles a) and b), or maybe just from one of them - as long as the conclusion is that Obama is horrible. You have not allowed for, even theoretically, a scenario in which Obama is not horrible in relation to the IRS and Benghazi "scandals".

Not true.

So yeah it seems pretty clear that you started with your conclusion and are working backwards from there.

Then by all means feel free to ignore me if my criticism of Obama is baseless.

Okay, what situation is there where Obama is not not horrible?

[Valmy]

Okay, what situation is there where Obama is not not horrible?

I recall he liked Obama's terrorist zapping drones.

[Caliga]

He's good at basketball.

[Razgovory]

Okay, what situation is there where Obama is not not horrible?

I recall he liked Obama's terrorist zapping drones.

No, to Narcissistic.  Obama did not give enough credit to Bush and Reagan.  Anyway, I was thinking something closer to the horrible "scandals" we've been talking about.

[derspiess]

Okay, what situation is there where Obama is not not horrible?

The recent Korea thing.  I wasn't happy about delaying our missile test, but overall I'd give his administration a B or B+ on how they handled it.

[11B4V]

Sandy

[Razgovory]

Okay, what situation is there where Obama is not not horrible?

The recent Korea thing.  I wasn't happy about delaying our missile test, but overall I'd give his administration a B or B+ on how they handled it.

A little closer to our topic here.

[11B4V]

The Credit Card Act

[Razgovory]

Actually, I am a little impressed that Derspeiss could get over the nausea he feels when he sees the President to give him a B.