Tea Partiers harassed by IRS?

[derspiess]

The bottom line remains that there is not - as Berkut said - "any rational analysis [that] makes a reasonable person conclude that [Obama] had anything to do with the decision process that resulted in their death.

That sort of touches on my main criticism of Obama.  He doesn't have anything to do with anything.  He mostly seems to give speeches, play golf, vacation, and attend fundraisers.

[Jacob]

On the subject of the IRS thing - it seems a little silly for the GOP to go all bonkers on it being a scandal and a cover-up when it wasn't covered up at all. I mean, Darrell Issa knew back in 2012 - http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-suggested-irs-cover-up-turns-darrell-issa-knew-2012.html

[Valmy]

But it was supposed to be the most transparent administration in history  

Yeah well he got elected and decided he should try for the other thing.

I'm sure the election had nothing to do with it.

Might have been.  But I suspect all things like like this are kept secret.

[CountDeMoney]

But it was supposed to be the most transparent administration in history  

I'm sure the election had nothing to do with it.

I'm sure there are hundreds of internal investigations conducted every year throughout the breadth of the federal government, with founded or unfounded results, that never see the congressional light of day.

And no, I'm sure the election had nothing to do with it, either.  Especially since it was wrapped up in early May by careerist bureaucrats, not political appointees--of which the IRS possesses only two.

[derspiess]

Yet Issa knew back in 2012. Why didn't he spill it if it was such a big deal?

Issa and many others suspected it was going on.  And of course they were all dismissed as LOL PARANOID TEABAGGERS.  It wasn't publicly confirmed by anyone until just recently.

[CountDeMoney]

I'm disappointed in Valmy drinking the Kool-Aid of Konspiracy.

[Jacob]

The bottom line remains that there is not - as Berkut said - "any rational analysis [that] makes a reasonable person conclude that [Obama] had anything to do with the decision process that resulted in their death.

That sort of touches on my main criticism of Obama.  He doesn't have anything to do with anything.  He mostly seems to give speeches, play golf, vacation, and attend fundraisers.

I was under the impression that the president was supposed to be pretty hands off with IRS investigations, at least since Nixon.

In any case, I think it's pretty funny how you're basically going "the president did this TERRIBLE THING! He's HORRIBLE! Oh... wait... he didn't do this terrible thing? That's because HE NEVER DOES ANYTHING! He's HORRIBLE!"

It's almost like you've decided that the conclusion is that he's HORRIBLE, and you're just looking for whatever facts you can to make that case.

[Valmy]

That sort of touches on my main criticism of Obama.  He doesn't have anything to do with anything.  He mostly seems to give speeches, play golf, vacation, and attend fundraisers.

Wow, way to spin that around.

[Valmy]

I'm disappointed in Valmy drinking the Kool-Aid of Konspiracy.

You seemed fine with it when I was complaining about Bush doing the same shit.

[derspiess]

I was under the impression that the president was supposed to be pretty hands off with IRS investigations, at least since Nixon.

In any case, I think it's pretty funny how you're basically going "the president did this TERRIBLE THING! He's HORRIBLE!

Am I? 

Oh... wait... he didn't do this terrible thing? That's because HE NEVER DOES ANYTHING! He's HORRIBLE!"

It's almost like you've decided that the conclusion is that he's HORRIBLE, and you're just looking for whatever facts you can to make that case.

I think at this point the burden of proof is almost on those claiming he's not a below average president

[Jacob]

Yet Issa knew back in 2012. Why didn't he spill it if it was such a big deal?

Issa and many others suspected it was going on.  And of course they were all dismissed as LOL PARANOID TEABAGGERS.  It wasn't publicly confirmed by anyone until just recently.

"Suspected?"

At a hearing Tuesday, Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George told the Senate Finance Committee that the Treasury Department informed Rep. Darrell Issa's (R-CA) office of its investigation into the IRS in 2012, and has had communications with this staff since then.

[Jacob]

Am I? 

Yes

Just ask Valmy.

I think at this point the burden of proof is almost on those claiming he's not a below average president

So then you're conceding that there is no substance to the IRS "scandal" and the Benghazi "scandal"?

[derspiess]

Yet Issa knew back in 2012. Why didn't he spill it if it was such a big deal?

Issa and many others suspected it was going on.  And of course they were all dismissed as LOL PARANOID TEABAGGERS.  It wasn't publicly confirmed by anyone until just recently.

"Suspected?"

At a hearing Tuesday, Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George told the Senate Finance Committee that the Treasury Department informed Rep. Darrell Issa's (R-CA) office of its investigation into the IRS in 2012, and has had communications with this staff since then.

That's a bit vague. 

[Berkut]

I think at this point the burden of proof is almost on those claiming he's not a below average president

So then you're conceding that there is no substance to the IRS "scandal" and the Benghazi "scandal"?

I think that is pretty much what we are left with.

Note that Obama can in fact be a below average president (not something I would argue against myself - I certainly have not been impressed with him) while not at all being responsible for either "scandal".

[derspiess]

Am I? 

Yes

Just ask Valmy.

I'd rather you tell me. 

I think at this point the burden of proof is almost on those claiming he's not a below average president

So then you're conceding that there is no substance to the IRS "scandal" and the Benghazi "scandal"?

No.