2016 elections - because it's never too early

[Razgovory]

Wasn't being a devil's advocate, boo. Just pointing out how America didn't suddenly change when the Dems held all the power.

And shame on you. Wouldn have thought you beyond such lazy, simplistic thinking.

Hmm.  I recall you claiming that the failures in Washington are largely Obama's fault and if Hillary Clinton was elected we wouldn't see the same gridlock.  It looks like your thesis is about to be tested.

[Tonitrus]

Danish bus ad to get americans living in Denmark to vote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMBJpmPAt-p/

Denmark?  Needs more naked blonde babes. 

[CountDeMoney]

Personally, I think they're just trying to give themselves excuses to go out and plug minorities.  Like derweiß says, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and darkies.

And what's with the 2nd Amendment thing already?  Yet another "any moment now" President?  Fucking morons.

New York Times
Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins
By ASHLEY PARKER and NICK CORASANITI
OCT. 27, 2016

COLORADO SPRINGS — Big crowds still mob Donald J. Trump when he comes to town, with fans waiting in long lines to attend his rallies, where they eagerly jeer his Democratic rival and holler happily at his message.

But beneath the cheering, a new emotion is taking hold among some Trump supporters as they grapple with reports predicting that he will lose the election: a dark fear about what will happen if their candidate is denied the White House. Some worry that they will be forgotten, along with their concerns and frustrations. Others believe the nation may be headed for violent conflict.

Jared Halbrook, 25, of Green Bay, Wis., said that if Mr. Trump lost to Hillary Clinton, which he worried would happen through a stolen election, it could lead to "another Revolutionary War."

"People are going to march on the capitols," said Mr. Halbrook, who works at a call center. "They're going to do whatever needs to be done to get her out of office, because she does not belong there."

"If push comes to shove," he added, and Mrs. Clinton "has to go by any means necessary, it will be done."

Interviews with more than 50 Trump supporters at campaign events in six states over the past week revealed a distinct change from the rollicking mood earlier this year, when Mr. Trump's surprising primary successes and emergence as an unconventional Republican standard-bearer set off broad excitement. The crowds appeared on edge and quick to lash out.

And while some voters emphatically disputed polls suggesting that Mrs. Clinton would win, others offered an apocalyptic vision of what life would be like if she did.

"It's not what I'm going to do, but I'm scared that the country is going to go into a riot," said Roger Pillath, 75, a retired teacher from Coleman, Wis. "I've never seen the country so divided, just black and white — there's no compromise whatsoever. The Clinton campaign says together we are stronger, but there's no together. The country has never been so divided. I'm looking at revolution right now."

Julie Olson, a rancher who showed up for a rally in Colorado Springs, said that she and her husband had been through rough economic times in recent years, and that a Trump loss would worsen their burdens.

"I'd probably go into a depression, because life is hard enough for us right now," Ms. Olson, 69, said. "And if Hillary gets in, it's going to be a whole lot worse — income, lack of income, small business, large businesses."

New York Times reporters spoke to people attending Trump rallies in Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. In every crowd, there were supporters who echoed Mr. Trump's message that the polls did not reflect the "silent majority" who they said would turn out on Nov. 8 and elect him in a landslide.

"You go through any neighborhood and see how many Trump signs there are and how many Hillary signs there are, and I guarantee you it's not even going to be close," said Bill Stelling, 44, of Jacksonville, Fla. "The only way they've done it is by rigging the election."

An information diet from Trump-friendly news media like Breitbart News and Infowars has led many to believe that there is no way Mr. Trump can lose, and that even contemplating the possibility is foolish. "I'd be shocked," said Rick Hill, 58, of Fort Myers, Fla.

Mr. Hill added, "If you get on social media, he's got Hillary beat, 3 to 1."

But others expressed unease about what a Trump loss would bring.

"Unfortunately, I'm not a man of vigilante violence," said Richard Sabonjohn, 48, of Naples, Fla. "I'm more of a peaceful person. But I do think there will be a large amount of people that are terribly upset and may take matters into their own hands."

Mr. Trump has repeatedly called the election "rigged," raised concerns about voter fraud and said that he might not accept the results if he lost, making Democrats and Republicans alike worry whether the transfer of power will be smooth.

Even some of his supporters who say they would peacefully accept Mrs. Clinton as the next president fear that the nation will take a violent turn — especially if Mrs. Clinton tries to infringe on Second Amendment rights.

Paul Swick, 42, who owns a moving business, went with his wife and daughter to see Mr. Trump speak in Green Bay last week. Mr. Swick considers himself a "Bible Christian" and "Thomas Jefferson liberal," and said he hoped to beat Mrs. Clinton "at the ballot box."

But Mr. Swick, by his own estimation, also owns "north of 30 guns," and he said Mrs. Clinton would have trouble if she tried to confiscate the nation's constitutionally protected weapons. (Mrs. Clinton has said she supports the Second Amendment, but she favors certain restrictions, like tighter background checks for gun buyers.)

"If she comes after the guns, it's going to be a rough, bumpy road," Mr. Swick said. "I hope to God I never have to fire a round, but I won't hesitate to. As a Christian, I want reformation. But sometimes reformation comes through bloodshed."

Alan Weegens, 62, a retired truck driver in Colorado Springs, also wondered aloud how the country — with so many citizens who own guns and, he said, "are willing to trample a grandma on Black Friday at midnight to save $5 on a toaster" — would react if Mr. Trump lost.

"I am not going to take my weapon to go out into the streets to protest an election I did not win," Mr. Weegens said, "but I think that if certain events came about, a person would need to protect themselves, depending on where they lived, when your neighborhood goes up in flames."

Asked what might cause such a conflagration, he pointed to places like Ferguson, Mo., and Charlotte, N.C., which have been hit by unrest after police shootings of black men, and said, "Because hungry people get mean."

As Mrs. Clinton pulls away in many polls, some Trump voters found it difficult even to contemplate what a Clinton presidency would be like for them.

"I'd go home and cry for four years," said Ken Herrmann, 69, of Punta Gorda, Fla.

Kathy Maney, 61, a hairstylist from Fletcher, N.C., used the language of love lost. "I won't feel hatred or mad or anything like that, but my heart will be broken," she said.

And Vicki Sanger, 40, of Grand Junction, Colo., said she had more practical concerns. "I would just be scared that Hillary would be impeached before she finishes her term," she said.

But, Ms. Sanger added, she will accept the outcome on Election Day. "I would absolutely respect the result and support the next president," she said. "Pray for the next president, whoever it is."

And really: you're 75 years old and have never seen the country so divided?  What, did you sleep through 1968?  OCN

[Valmy]

I don't get the obsession with gun confiscation. Even back when the majority of the country was for gun control, back in the 1980s, nothing like that was even contemplated. It certainly would never happen now. The most they ever talk about are restrictions on purchases, and even many of those are likely to be ruled unconstitutional. I just do not get it.

They might as well be worried about dragons confiscating their guns.

Anyway I suppose I might want to think about getting one and getting some training if these nutsos are really going to start coming after us to murder us whenever their stupid candidates lose.

[CountDeMoney]

I don't get the obsession with gun confiscation. Even back when the majority of the country was for gun control, back in the 1980s, nothing like that was even contemplated. It certainly would never happen now. The most they ever talk about are restrictions on purchases, and even many of those are likely to be ruled unconstitutional. I just do not get it.

They might as well be worried about dragons confiscating their guns.

ATF agent: The NRA 'wants us right where we're at'

[Ed Anger]

Good thing I have a supply of Spam and potted meat stored up.

[CountDeMoney]

Nothing like having enough supplies to survive to see the post-apocalyptic wasteland, only to die courtesy of hypertension.   

[Ed Anger]

MAH WATER RETENTION.

[Zoupa]

Donald "I will never lie to you" Trump 


http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/10/19/trump-praises-rival-hillary-clinton-in-2008-ny1-interview.html

[Berkut]

I guess the message is clear - if you want functional government you have to vote (D) across the board.

Well, yeah, at this point.

There is another message though - put up better candidates than another corrupt fucking Clinton.

[Tonitrus]

I don't get the obsession with gun confiscation. Even back when the majority of the country was for gun control, back in the 1980s, nothing like that was even contemplated. It certainly would never happen now. The most they ever talk about are restrictions on purchases, and even many of those are likely to be ruled unconstitutional. I just do not get it.

They might as well be worried about dragons confiscating their guns.

ATF agent: The NRA 'wants us right where we're at'

Meh, two of the items in their name don't make much sense in a law enforcement perspective anymore (if they ever really did), and federal firearms enforcement can be rolled into another agency.

But the FBI?  Hell, get rid of them too, and roll it all into the US Marshal Service...make them the singular, preeminent federal law enforcement agency again. #watchestoomanywesterns

[DGuller]

BTW, here is something that bothered me since the last debate.  Hillary Clinton said that 17 intelligence agencies concluded Russia was behind the hack.  Why the fuck do we have 17+ intelligence agencies?

[Admiral Yi]

BTW, here is something that bothered me since the last debate.  Hillary Clinton said that 17 intelligence agencies concluded Russia was behind the hack.  Why the fuck do we have 17+ intelligence agencies?

Each branch of the military has their own intel shop, as do several civilian agencies such as State and Homeland Security.  FBI would be involved.  Then CIA, NSA, the weird new one that deals with cyber.  So I don't think we have 17 intelligence agencies per se.

[CountDeMoney]

BTW, here is something that bothered me since the last debate.  Hillary Clinton said that 17 intelligence agencies concluded Russia was behind the hack.  Why the fuck do we have 17+ intelligence agencies?

16 plus the ODNI = 17

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/intelligence-community/members-of-the-ic

[Zanza]

The amount of law enforcement agencies is also a bit baffling for me. Universities, trains, highways etc. all have their own law enforcement in addition to cities, counties, states, the federal government etc.