2016 elections - because it's never too early

[CountDeMoney]

Spicy and me are kingmakers, being from a swing state. We rule, the rest of you drool.

Languish's attempts to bully me into voting for Illary have failed.

Lol she be illin'

Dude, you wouldn't vote for a woman even if Jeanne Kirkpatrick had developed a large leathery sheath to protect the retracted articulating arm for a clit the size of a Duraflame starter log.

[mongers]

Leaked email from Colin Powell (he has confirmed they are genuine apparently)

"I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70-year-old person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still dicking bimbos at home (according to the NYP)."

Yikes!

Sounds pretty accurate though.

Is a long track record a bad thing?

And yeah, I'd guess a heady dose of ambition might be needed to be the first woman president.

What relevance does her husband dicking bimbos have?

Those are the same question my reading of it prompted.

[FunkMonk]

So Trump came out with a campaign platform for child care.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/child-care-reforms-that-will-make-america-great-again

It's quite a switch for his campaign.  It has actual, detailed policies, not just meaningless talking points.  Seriously - look at his website under positions.

Of course it would be enormously expensive and Trump doesn't even give a hint about how he's going to pay for it.

But here's the real kicker.  Last month on the campaign trail Trump talked about his employee child care programs.  He even named a couple of them.  The thing is those programs exist, but not for employees - they're for guests only.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/427e5f6dd29c4c30a99486cdf34cd054/trump-touts-child-care-programs-theyre-guests-only

The real surpise is in October when Trump says he supports a woman's right to have an abortion, while Hannity, Rush, and Co. cheer him on. 

[Martinus]

So Trump came out with a campaign platform for child care.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/child-care-reforms-that-will-make-america-great-again

It's quite a switch for his campaign.  It has actual, detailed policies, not just meaningless talking points.  Seriously - look at his website under positions.

Of course it would be enormously expensive and Trump doesn't even give a hint about how he's going to pay for it.

But here's the real kicker.  Last month on the campaign trail Trump talked about his employee child care programs.  He even named a couple of them.  The thing is those programs exist, but not for employees - they're for guests only.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/427e5f6dd29c4c30a99486cdf34cd054/trump-touts-child-care-programs-theyre-guests-only

The real surpise is in October when Trump says he supports a woman's right to have an abortion, while Hannity, Rush, and Co. cheer him on. 

I heard this crackpot theory that Trump is essentially "hypnotising" the GOP base by a technique called "following and leading".

The example was how he got the RNC audience to cheer when he said he will protect the lives of "El-Gee-Bee-Tea brothers and sisters" back in July.

[derspiess]

Dude, you wouldn't vote for a woman even if...

Incorrect.  We get an American Thatcher and I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

[garbon]

At any rate, the husband bit still strikes me as irrelevant to whether or not to vote for someone.

The reasoning (whether you agree or not) is this: that it goes to the very mercenary nature of their relationship.  If Bill and Hillary had a marriage based on love she would have dumped his ass years ago.  But because she benefits from being married to a serial philanderer she stays with him.

Which goes nicely with Powell's assessment of her greed and unbridled ambition.

So you are taking issue with her sticking to her wedding vows?

[Berkut]

At any rate, the husband bit still strikes me as irrelevant to whether or not to vote for someone.

The reasoning (whether you agree or not) is this: that it goes to the very mercenary nature of their relationship.  If Bill and Hillary had a marriage based on love she would have dumped his ass years ago.  But because she benefits from being married to a serial philanderer she stays with him.

Which goes nicely with Powell's assessment of her greed and unbridled ambition.

So you are taking issue with her sticking to her wedding vows?

Beeb is only pro-wedding vows when it is the state demanding that you stick to them!

[Barrister]

At any rate, the husband bit still strikes me as irrelevant to whether or not to vote for someone.

The reasoning (whether you agree or not) is this: that it goes to the very mercenary nature of their relationship.  If Bill and Hillary had a marriage based on love she would have dumped his ass years ago.  But because she benefits from being married to a serial philanderer she stays with him.

Which goes nicely with Powell's assessment of her greed and unbridled ambition.

So you are taking issue with her sticking to her wedding vows?

Yes.

I'm no Catholic.  Sometimes divorce is the answer.

Bill isn't someone who had a slip and promised to change.  He's a serial philanderer, has been for decades.  We knew it went back as far as 70s Arkansas right up to the Presidency.  Now we have Powell telling us it continues to this day.

[garbon]

At any rate, the husband bit still strikes me as irrelevant to whether or not to vote for someone.

The reasoning (whether you agree or not) is this: that it goes to the very mercenary nature of their relationship.  If Bill and Hillary had a marriage based on love she would have dumped his ass years ago.  But because she benefits from being married to a serial philanderer she stays with him.

Which goes nicely with Powell's assessment of her greed and unbridled ambition.

So you are taking issue with her sticking to her wedding vows?

Yes.

I'm no Catholic.  Sometimes divorce is the answer.

Bill isn't someone who had a slip and promised to change.  He's a serial philanderer, has been for decades.  We knew it went back as far as 70s Arkansas right up to the Presidency.  Now we have Powell telling us it continues to this day.

What if she doesn't care if he's cheating?

So it isn't so much 'til death to us part' but instead 'til this isn't fun anymore'?

[Barrister]

At any rate, the husband bit still strikes me as irrelevant to whether or not to vote for someone.

The reasoning (whether you agree or not) is this: that it goes to the very mercenary nature of their relationship.  If Bill and Hillary had a marriage based on love she would have dumped his ass years ago.  But because she benefits from being married to a serial philanderer she stays with him.

Which goes nicely with Powell's assessment of her greed and unbridled ambition.

So you are taking issue with her sticking to her wedding vows?

Beeb is only pro-wedding vows when it is the state demanding that you stick to them!

For a one year cooling off period.

[Oexmelin]

A career military man demonstrating acute contempt for civilian politicians?  Yeah, that never happens.

I find it puzzling / worrying that this is a trope frequently endorsed in fiction, too.

[CountDeMoney]

A career military man demonstrating acute contempt for civilian politicians?  Yeah, that never happens.

I find it puzzling / worrying that this is a trope frequently endorsed in fiction, too.

They think they're above the fray, holier than thou, my service is more important than your service, etc.  A common thingy in American history.

Hell, Ike was dismissive of JFK and Nixon.

[mongers]

A career military man demonstrating acute contempt for civilian politicians?  Yeah, that never happens.

I find it puzzling / worrying that this is a trope frequently endorsed in fiction, too.

They think they're above the fray, holier than thou, my service is more important than your service, etc.  A common thingy in American history.

Hell, Ike was dismissive of JFK and Nixon.

Well he had the right to be dismissive of one of them.

[Eddie Teach]

Which one?

[dps]

I agree with pretty much everything Leaked Colin had to say about both of them.

Me too.

Yep.

Languish's attempts to bully me into voting for Illary have failed.

Heck, I've said that I'm voting for Hilary, and I still feel like I'm getting bullied because I don't support her unreservedly.  I'm almost tempted to vote for Trump just to spite Seedy, but I love my country too much for that.