2016 elections - because it's never too early

[derspiess]

Since this is a binary decision, how is that changing the subject? Being less of a liar than Trump is all she needs, and she passes that test in flying colors imho. 

No, they're both awful.

[Berkut]

Even among politicians she stands out as a liar.

No, actually she doesn't - except maybe that for a politician she seems more honest than most of them, and certainly moreso than almost all prominent Republicans.

This is a truly classic example of Pravda, how repeating something often enough somehow makes it become true. Beeb says it, you say it, Fox says it, it is just repeated as a truism even though any objective measure of her honesty compared to other politicians has her as much more honest than the vast majority of them.

Trump, by contrast, it the least honest.

http://www.attn.com/stories/10483/chart-compares-presidential-candidates-honesty

[Berkut]

Since this is a binary decision, how is that changing the subject? Being less of a liar than Trump is all she needs, and she passes that test in flying colors imho. 

No, they're both awful.

No, actually by any objective measure, they are light years apart on honesty.

I rate your comment as: False.

[derspiess]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[CountDeMoney]

No, they're both awful.

That's the hilarious part with you deplorables:  you actually see an equivalency. 

[Razgovory]

Even among politicians she stands out as a liar.

Or course, that's what all the liars said.

[derspiess]

Anyway, can we all agree now that concerns re: Hillary's health are no longer a right wing conspiracy?

[Berkut]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I am not the one stating things I know are lies over and over again, so I am sleeping just fine.

[Barrister]

Even among politicians she stands out as a liar.

No, I think Trump takes that crown. I think we're still waiting for a truth with him.

Yeah, change the subject.  I don't blame you.

Since this is a binary decision, how is that changing the subject? Being less of a liar than Trump is all she needs, and she passes that test in flying colors imho. 

This.

I have no problem with Speiss saying Hillary Clinton is a noted liar.  She is.

But Trump seems positively allergic to the truth.

[Berkut]

I am, as always, fascinated at active cognitive dissonance. The ability to ignore obvious fact in favor of a obviously false reality rather than challenging ones faith.

I mean, it is happening right here in front of us - spicey knows he is wrong, knows that repeating the wrong is a lie, knows that we know he is lying, and yet he would rather just repeat that lie than accept the conclusion.

And of course he is hardly unique in this paradigm.

It is kind of an incredibly human ability that I find fascinating, and a little terrifying.

[Berkut]

I have no problem with Speiss saying Hillary Clinton is a noted liar.  She is.

Except that she isn't. More active cognitive dissonance.

Of course you have no problem with someone else repeating what you know to be completely untrue while you repeat it as well.

I wonder what the actual power of group reinforcement is on this kind of dissonance. I wonder if they've actually studied and quantified it other than anecdotally.

[CountDeMoney]

Trump, by contrast, it the least honest.

http://www.attn.com/stories/10483/chart-compares-presidential-candidates-honesty

thank you so much for that graph, that made my day. When you're in 2nd place behind Batshit Bachman....

[The Minsky Moment]

The difference is Clinton is really bad at lying, so when she does it, it seems so glaringly obvious and awful.
Trump OTOH is much better at lying - seems natural, no shame doubling down no matter how preposterous.
So HC's lies stand out and seem worse.

[Valmy]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Was 'I'm rubber and you are glue' taken already?

[derspiess]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Was 'I'm rubber and you are glue' taken already?

I'm just saying I think you guys are deluding yourselves into thinking Hillary is less horrible than she really is.