2016 elections - because it's never too early

[Berkut]

No, the data pretty clearly shows that you are deluding yourself, and you even know it, since you've seen that data that categorically refutes your claim.

[Valmy]

I'm just saying I think you guys are deluding yourselves into thinking Hillary is less horrible than she really is. 

I guess it depends on your definition of the word 'horrible'. To almost quote her husband 

I mean what is she going to do? Nuke Russia? I figure she will do exactly what I would think a Clinton type person would do. To me that is fine.

But in any case I am 99.99% sure she is less horrible than Sanders and Trump.

[CountDeMoney]

She pees sitting down.  That's her horribleness.

[Razgovory]

Anyway, can we all agree now that concerns re: Hillary's health are no longer a right wing conspiracy?

Yes, her having pneumonia justifies claims that she had a stroke.

[Razgovory]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Was 'I'm rubber and you are glue' taken already?

I'm just saying I think you guys are deluding yourselves into thinking Hillary is less horrible than she really is.

Which of the horrible things are we missing?  That she killed Ron Brown and Vince Foster?  That she purposefully planned to murder Ambassador Stevens?  She founded ISIS?  Help us out.  Give us something to sink our teeth into.

[Malthus]

Even among politicians she stands out as a liar.

Or course, that's what all the liars said.

Heh, this whole election reminds me of the Epimenides paradox. 

[The Minsky Moment]

HC's problem has never really been honesty, it's sincerity.
That and the related problem of a sense of self-importance.
I don't think its a huge shock her personality rubs a lot of people the wrong way and that is hurting her as a candidate.

Then again George W also came across a decent blokish sort of guy, Jimmy Carter had plenty of sincerity.

[Valmy]

HC's problem has never really been honesty, it's sincerity.
That and the related problem of a sense of self-importance.
I don't think its a huge shock her personality rubs a lot of people the wrong way and that is hurting her as a candidate.

Then again George W also came across a decent blokish sort of guy, Jimmy Carter had plenty of sincerity.

People say she gives of a Nixonian vibe which, I suppose, is fair enough. I would probably vote for Nixon in this election as well though.

[Barrister]

HC's problem has never really been honesty, it's sincerity.
That and the related problem of a sense of self-importance.
I don't think its a huge shock her personality rubs a lot of people the wrong way and that is hurting her as a candidate.

Then again George W also came across a decent blokish sort of guy, Jimmy Carter had plenty of sincerity.

People say she gives of a Nixonian vibe which, I suppose, is fair enough. I would probably vote for Nixon in this election as well though.

Let's see Nixon:

-created the EPA
-banned gender bias at college with Title IX
-oversaw desegregation
-introduced wage and prrice controls
-withdrew US troops from Vietnam
-recognized communist China

Yeah, you would support Nixon, you commie.

[Martinus]

I didn't know that desegregation was a commie position.

[citizen k]

[Razgovory]

HC's problem has never really been honesty, it's sincerity.
That and the related problem of a sense of self-importance.
I don't think its a huge shock her personality rubs a lot of people the wrong way and that is hurting her as a candidate.

Then again George W also came across a decent blokish sort of guy, Jimmy Carter had plenty of sincerity.

I think her real problem is the "Clinton Myth".  People have developed this weird idea of who she is, that has very little to do with reality. I remember reading that Republicans were surprised by how affable she was in in the Senate.

[Eddie Teach]

It's too bad Trump has such astonishing health; I don't see Pence starting World War 3.

[Valmy]

I didn't know that desegregation was a commie position.

And wanting to end gender bias

But, for all his warts, Nixon was a very competent President. Sure he was a paranoid asshole, but competence is hard to find.

[CountDeMoney]

It's too bad Trump has such astonishing health; I don't see Pence starting World War 3.

He'd be too busy making everybody have  miscarriage funerals.