Breaking news: Margaret Thatcher has died

[Agelastus]

RIP 

[garbon]

Way to stay classy, Jos

[Neil]

Way to stay classy, Jos

Jos has never been classy.  He's northern trash, and that always shows through.

[PDH]

Wait, did you mean Jos or Jos?

[Neil]

Wait, did you mean Jos or Jos?

One is obsessed with coal mining, the other is a Leafs fan.

[HVC]

Wait, did you mean Jos or Jos?

One is obsessed with coal mining, the other is a Leafs fan.

neither can be forgiven!

RIP. you did what your nation needed, even if a large portion reviled you for it.

[OttoVonBismarck]

How can there be justice in a world where Reagan and Thatcher are dead and Carter lives?

[Neil]

How can there be justice in a world where Reagan and Thatcher are dead and Carter lives?

Reagan and Thatcher aren't suffering anymore.  Carter, on the other hand not only suffers the indignities of old age, but also suffers from being a punchline.

[CountDeMoney]

How can there be justice in a world where Reagan and Thatcher are dead and Carter lives?

He's your nation's moral conscience.  Go build a house for somebody.

[OttoVonBismarck]

I love at the end of Argo when they have an audio clip from an older Carter interview where he talks about how he got "Everyone home safe" during the Iran hostage crisis. It's hilarious to see someone try and morph one of the biggest Presidential failures and embarrassments into some sort of success that he had anything at all to do with.

[HVC]

I love at the end of Argo when they have an audio clip from an older Carter interview where he talks about how he got "Everyone home safe" during the Iran hostage crisis. It's hilarious to see someone try and morph one of the biggest Presidential failures and embarrassments into some sort of success that he had anything at all to do with.

1970's "mission accomplished"?

[CountDeMoney]

I love at the end of Argo when they have an audio clip from an older Carter interview where he talks about how he got "Everyone home safe" during the Iran hostage crisis. It's hilarious to see someone try and morph one of the biggest Presidential failures and embarrassments into some sort of success that he had anything at all to do with.

They didn't come home safe?

[OttoVonBismarck]

That's not really the point. Taking hostage of diplomats is one of the clearest possible casus belli and drastically outside international norms. It should have been met with overwhelming force designed to immediately end the reign of the Ayatollahs. Iran will soon be a nuclear state because we feared the pain of ripping hairs out when yanking the band-aid and have opted for the pain of a shotgun blast to the stomach instead. That's really the truth about our handling of Iran, we avoided a messy war and replaced it with a far worse eventuality. The shame of America for our response to the hostage crisis has never fully been washed off.

[derspiess]

RIP

[CountDeMoney]

That's not really the point. Taking hostage of diplomats is one of the clearest possible casus belli and drastically outside international norms. It should have been met with overwhelming force designed to immediately end the reign of the Ayatollahs. Iran will soon be a nuclear state because we feared the pain of ripping hairs out when yanking the band-aid and have opted for the pain of a shotgun blast to the stomach instead. That's really the truth about our handling of Iran, we avoided a messy war and replaced it with a far worse eventuality. The shame of America for our response to the hostage crisis has never fully been washed off.

You're old enough to remember what the world was like in 1979, so don't be silly.  A hostage situation is not the best reason for a superpower showdown in the Persian Gulf.
Now, a shitload of executed hostages, that's different.  But you and I both know that the Soviet Union would not have tolerated military action against Iran, and things would've been ratcheted up quickly at a time when Brezhnev was pretty much mentally incapacitated.