Game of Thrones: Which claimant do you support?

[Valmy]

[spoiler]aegon is obviously false....though Martin does like going against the obvious so who knows. My prediction is everyone who matters knows he  is fake yet many reckon it might be  for the good of the realm to pretend and marry him to dani or stannis' kid[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Um who even knows about him besides Varys and Tyrion?  I mean unless you think they are the only two people who matter and you may have a point there.

And he is not obviously false at all.  Alot of people WANT him to be false and he may yet be.  But GRRM hinted he was still alive for quite awhile.  Besides Varys says he is Aegon at the end of ADWD and why would he lie to a dying man?[/spoiler]

[Iormlund]

Tyrion Targaryen.

[Viking]

Tyrion Targaryen.

unpossible. Tyrion must be legitimate for [spoiler]Tywins ultimate nightmare of Lanna Lannister, the daughter of the Tysha the Sailor's Wife in Bravos, sitting as the ruler in Casterly Rock to come true.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]note, the identity of the Sailors wife has not been clearly established, but seems to be an early set-up, with Braavos being the answer to the question of where whores go and the sailors wife's view of marriage and putative fidelity to tyrion. To be blunt, he won't have any reason to complain given his own whoring[/spoiler]

[garbon]

Incidently, not much is known about George Boleyn's personal life but I remember how much it irritates you when I want evidence for historical people's sexuality so I will go ahead and give you that one to

Because Showtime came out in support of the theory?

[Valmy]

Because Showtime came out in support of the theory?

Of course they did, it made it more interesting.  But the theory is based on nothing really.

[Grinning_Colossus]

[spoiler]aegon is obviously false....though Martin does like going against the obvious so who knows. My prediction is everyone who matters knows he  is fake yet many reckon it might be  for the good of the realm to pretend and marry him to dani or stannis' kid[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Um who even knows about him besides Varys and Tyrion?  I mean unless you think they are the only two people who matter and you may have a point there.

And he is not obviously false at all.  Alot of people WANT him to be false and he may yet be.  But GRRM hinted he was still alive for quite awhile.  Besides Varys says he is Aegon at the end of ADWD and why would he lie to a dying man?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]His little birds[/spoiler] would have heard. When it comes to a secret that big, you can't be too careful.

[Tamas]

Because Showtime came out in support of the theory?

Of course they did, it made it more interesting.  But the theory is based on nothing really.

apparently there are some gay folks who consider a historic figure gay if either of these apply:

-he wasn't clearly straight according to records
-he was clearly straight according to records

[garbon]

Because Showtime came out in support of the theory?

Of course they did, it made it more interesting.  But the theory is based on nothing really.

Which is why I don't think you should concede that point.

[Martinus]

Because Showtime came out in support of the theory?

Of course they did, it made it more interesting.  But the theory is based on nothing really.

Why would you think I was referring to hard and verified historical facts as opposed to popular historical narratives, when commenting on an author using similar narratives in his storytelling? Seriously, sometimes you guys seem like autistic people.

[garbon]

Because Showtime came out in support of the theory?

Of course they did, it made it more interesting.  But the theory is based on nothing really.

Why would you think I was referring to hard and verified historical facts as opposed to popular historical narratives, when commenting on an author using similar narratives in his storytelling? Seriously, sometimes you guys seem like autistic people.

As far as I can see the idea that Boelyn was gay stems from the late 80s - while Renly the character was written in the mid-90s. Was the theory very popular by then?

[Queequeg]

"Gay" in Tudor England?

[Martinus]

"Gay" in Tudor England?

More autism.

[Queequeg]

Not my fault you're totally fucking unschooled in gender studies, Marty.

[Admiral Yi]

Not my fault you're totally fucking unschooled in gender studies, Marty.

Is that a compliment or an insult?

[Valmy]

Why would you think I was referring to hard and verified historical facts as opposed to popular historical narratives, when commenting on an author using similar narratives in his storytelling? Seriously, sometimes you guys seem like autistic people.

Well firstly the theory did not become popular historical narrative until The Tudors came out so it did not occur to me you were suggesting that version of the Boleyns was what motivated GRRM writing a decade beforehand.  I thought you were talking about the actual Boleyns and GRRM is quite a medieval British history buff so it was not a super crazy idea, or autistic or whatever, that you were suggesting that was the inspiration.  But that is not really the point.  Even judging from the TV series and the books I think you are letting the fact that there is the same actress involved make narrative connections that are not really that similar.