UEFA Euro 2012 Poland-Ukraine: Germans Glowing with Anticipation

[Martinus]

The Croat and Spanish game will be the study in the prisoner dilemma, btw.

[Martinus]

Holy shit, Bendtner was fined €100.000 and suspended for 1 game for his underpants stunt.

That's four times the highest penalty for racist slurrs. At least it's good to see UEFA got its priorities straight, as always.

[szmik]

The Croat and Spanish game will be the study in the prisoner dilemma, btw.

Really?  If Italy beats Eire with more than 1 goal, which is highly likely, Croats have to win to advance.

Anyway it will be interesting how it develops. I recall Scandinavian plot during Euro 2004 to kick Italians out. 

[Liep]

The Croat and Spanish game will be the study in the prisoner dilemma, btw.

Really?  If Italy beats Eire with more than 1 goal, which is highly likely, Croats have to win to advance.

Nah, they'd all be on 5 points and then goals against Ireland won't count. So if they tie with more than 1-1 Italy is fucked, if it's 1-1 it comes down to UEFA rankings or something.

[Josephus]

If Italy beats Ireland, say 1-0 and Spain Croatia draw 1-1 then:

Spain 5 points GD 2-2 (not including game v. eire)
Croatia 5 points GD 2-2
Italy 5 points GD 2-2

So because it's all tied, then they do the GD involving the whole group so:

Spain 6-2
Croatia 5-3
Italy 3-2

So that means with a 1-1 draw, Spain and Croatia qualify.

[Liep]

With a 1-1 draw Italy can still qualify if they beat the living shit out of Ireland.

[DGuller]

Are there any rules against implicit collusion?  That is, intentionally letting in a goal not because you explicitly colluded to fix the results with the other team, but because it's in your advantage to do so?  I can see a situation where Italy is destroying Ireland, and one of the other two teams have no shot.  They let the other team score a couple of goals, because they're desperate and have nothing to lose anyway.  Then the other team can itself allow a couple of goals, because they're in either way, but they'd rather knock Italy out than their opponent.

[szmik]

There are no such rules, during Euro 2004 that was exactly what happened, with Italy kicked out because of it.

[Syt]

Are there any rules against implicit collusion?  That is, intentionally letting in a goal not because you explicitly colluded to fix the results with the other team, but because it's in your advantage to do so?  I can see a situation where Italy is destroying Ireland, and one of the other two teams have no shot.  They let the other team score a couple of goals, because they're desperate and have nothing to lose anyway.  Then the other team can itself allow a couple of goals, because they're in either way, but they'd rather knock Italy out than their opponent.

See:
Nichtangriffspakt von Gijón (lit. Non-aggression pact of Gijón) or Schande von Gijón (lit. Disgrace of Gijón), while in Algeria it is known as the Anschluss.

[Liep]

There are no such rules, during Euro 2004 that was exactly what happened, with Italy kicked out because of it.

I object. Denmark and Sweden were the better teams and thus qualified. The score of 2-2 was merely coincidental. Although the Danish defense didn't look rock solid when Sweden scored the late equaliser.

[Josephus]

Are there any rules against implicit collusion?  That is, intentionally letting in a goal not because you explicitly colluded to fix the results with the other team, but because it's in your advantage to do so?  I can see a situation where Italy is destroying Ireland, and one of the other two teams have no shot.  They let the other team score a couple of goals, because they're desperate and have nothing to lose anyway.  Then the other team can itself allow a couple of goals, because they're in either way, but they'd rather knock Italy out than their opponent.

If it's a 2-2 draw you can guarnatee that the wops will be crying collusion. They call it the bischotte scandal.

[PDH]

Apparantly when they did the scoreboard test it showed a 2-2 between Spain and Croatia 

[Liep]

The odds on 2-2 are plummeting.

[HVC]

Italy complaining about game fixing? That's funny.

[szmik]

There are no such rules, during Euro 2004 that was exactly what happened, with Italy kicked out because of it.

I object. Denmark and Sweden were the better teams and thus qualified.

agreed

The score of 2-2 was merely coincidental. Although the Danish defense didn't look rock solid when Sweden scored the late equaliser.

really really?   

Bookies are still paying 7:1 for 2:2