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Started by szmik, March 12, 2009, 12:45:18 PM

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Tamas

Quote from: Fate on August 04, 2009, 04:18:29 AM
It never ceases to amaze me that a relic of a game like TOAW has a better AI than anything Paradox has put out in the past decade.

Don't worry, they'll release the source code eventually.  :lol:

TOAW has nearly no AI  whatsoever. Scenarios script it (or not) individually.

Razgovory

Quote from: Josephus on August 03, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
This is what it says on Gamers Gate:

System requirements
# Operating system: Windows 2000/XP/Vista
# Processor: Intel® Pentium® IV 2.4 GHz or AMD 3500+
# Memory: 2Gb RAM
# Hard disk space: 2 GB Available HDD Space
# Video: NVIDIA® GeForce 8800 or ATI Radeon® X1900
# Sound: Direct X-compatible sound card
# DirectX®: DirectX 9

Yeah that threw me off.
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Josephus

Quote from: Razgovory on August 04, 2009, 07:34:10 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 03, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
This is what it says on Gamers Gate:

System requirements
# Operating system: Windows 2000/XP/Vista
# Processor: Intel® Pentium® IV 2.4 GHz or AMD 3500+
# Memory: 2Gb RAM
# Hard disk space: 2 GB Available HDD Space
# Video: NVIDIA® GeForce 8800 or ATI Radeon® X1900
# Sound: Direct X-compatible sound card
# DirectX®: DirectX 9

Yeah that threw me off.

Note: it does say "requirements" not "recommendations"
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BVN

Quote from: Josephus on August 04, 2009, 08:28:06 AM
Note: it does say "requirements" not "recommendations"
Yes, it's confusing. But according to other sources, a graphics card with 256mb memory and support for shaders 2.0 is considered 'minimum'.

For example, a 8600 GT must be perfectly capable to run HOI3.

Darth Wagtaros

Forget the graphics.  If the AI won't do a Normandy or even a Sicily what's the point of a WWII game? Someone tell me how WWII can work without amphibious invasion?! I mean, I've seen Japan invade Cuba before and stuff, I'm not talkin about the stupid bullshit. 

I think we need Fate to answer these questions.
PDH!

Fate

Quote from: Tamas on August 04, 2009, 06:54:56 AM
Quote from: Fate on August 04, 2009, 04:18:29 AM
It never ceases to amaze me that a relic of a game like TOAW has a better AI than anything Paradox has put out in the past decade.

Don't worry, they'll release the source code eventually.  :lol:

TOAW has nearly no AI  whatsoever. Scenarios script it (or not) individually.

Alright, TOAW scripts provide more of a challenge for me than Paradox AIs.  :lol:

Fate

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 04, 2009, 09:28:22 AM
Forget the graphics.  If the AI won't do a Normandy or even a Sicily what's the point of a WWII game? Someone tell me how WWII can work without amphibious invasion?! I mean, I've seen Japan invade Cuba before and stuff, I'm not talkin about the stupid bullshit. 

I think we need Fate to answer these questions.

I have no proof yet. I just see the reviews, and noticeably absent from any of them is the capability of the AI in terms of meaningful naval invasions - something that was severely lacking in HOI1, HOI2, and EU3. We shall see...

Tamas

Quote from: Fate on August 04, 2009, 10:10:23 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 04, 2009, 09:28:22 AM
Forget the graphics.  If the AI won't do a Normandy or even a Sicily what's the point of a WWII game? Someone tell me how WWII can work without amphibious invasion?! I mean, I've seen Japan invade Cuba before and stuff, I'm not talkin about the stupid bullshit. 

I think we need Fate to answer these questions.

I have no proof yet. I just see the reviews, and noticeably absent from any of them is the capability of the AI in terms of meaningful naval invasions - something that was severely lacking in HOI1, HOI2, and EU3. We shall see...

Dude we were talking about this in this very thread: the beta version from which AARs and reviews have been made has no naval AI. AT ALL. DECLAREDLY.

Of course this proves you right because I wonder what kind of a naval AI can you do in about two months, from scratch, but still.

frunk

Well it depends quite a lot on the path of the work undertaken by those working on AI.  Assuming there's a dedicated person/team working on AI their schedule might have looked like:

3 months: Setup AI environment and scripting language
2 months: Land AI
2 months: Air AI
2 months: Naval AI

By the point you get to Naval AI many of the general AI kinks would have been worked out, and so typifying it as from scratch isn't really fair.  If the naval AI is last on the list it won't get done until very late, but it doesn't mean it won't get done.  We really don't know what the workflow was though, so I'm not getting up in arms until I see/hear about the game.  Then I'll start carrying pitchforks.

MadBurgerMaker

#159
 :lol:  I take it the demo is out around now?  "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."

Edit:  Oh cool it is:  http://www.fileplanet.com/111377/0/0/0/1/section/Demos

E2: 17 - 19 minute queue.  Wow.

Viking

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 04, 2009, 11:14:45 AM
:lol:  I take it the demo is out around now?  "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."

Edit:  Oh cool it is:  http://www.fileplanet.com/111377/0/0/0/1/section/Demos

E2: 17 - 19 minute queue.  Wow.

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Quote from: Viking on August 04, 2009, 11:21:37 AM
I'm not fucking paying...

:unsure:  All I'm using is a very old free subscription, unless I'm being charged without my knowledge.  If they are, those fuckers need to get with the program and get rid of the ads.

Darth Wagtaros

Johan lurks around here doesn't he? Just make him answer our questions directly.  We're important people.
PDH!

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