It's morning in Obama's America

[Ideologue]

'U.S. consumer borrowing rose by the most in a decade during November, surging 10% with Americans pulling out their credit cards as the holiday shopping season got rolling.'

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/01/09/consumer-credit-surged-in-november/

Lol.

[Sheilbh]

Apparently the NJ Legislature's planning to propose a gay marriage law soon.  I imagine that would complicate things for Christie if he does decide to run for President.

[Phillip V]

Apparently the NJ Legislature's planning to propose a gay marriage law soon.  I imagine that would complicate things for Christie if he does decide to run for President.

Gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts when Romney was governor.

[Razgovory]

And he's having such a smooth Primary.

[CountDeMoney]

but come now, Carter was a failure and an abomination worse than a thousand Hitlers.

Nonsense.

[Phillip V]

And he's having such a smooth Primary.

If he wins, yes.

[CountDeMoney]

Fuck Ronald Reagan.  I could have been born under the benevolent watch of Jimmy Carter.

But fuck Mitt Romney even harder.  He's evil.

I'll be the first to say Reagan is overrated (and I am a Reagan supporter), but come now, Carter was a failure and an abomination worse than a thousand Hitlers.

What exactly did Carter do that was "worse then a thousand Hitlers"?

Synthetic Oil program.  Attempting to implement a policy that would allow us to generate 25% of our own oil for consumption domestically by 1990, and since panzers used synthetic oil, too, there ya go.  See?

[Razgovory]

And he's having such a smooth Primary.

If he wins, yes.

Even if he wins, no.  He's been battered by his opponents and forced to spend vast amounts of cash.

[Phillip V]

And he's having such a smooth Primary.

If he wins, yes.

Even if he wins, no.  He's been battered by his opponents and forced to spend vast amounts of cash.

And Obama didn't?

In any case, Romney spent vast more money in 2008.

[Razgovory]

No, Obama didn't.  Obama was the insurgent candidate.  Clinton was the establishment candidate.  2008 and 20011 aren't comparable since there wasn't many elections in 2011.  And I can't find a total amount of money spent in 2011.  All I found was a Wikipedia entry where he spent nearly half what he spent in his 2008 run and it only went to September.  He's also able to funnel money into SuperPacs this year, something new this time around.

[CountDeMoney]

Obama broke the record at the time for most money raised for a presidential campaign in 2008, Raztarski.

[Sheilbh]

Apparently the NJ Legislature's planning to propose a gay marriage law soon.  I imagine that would complicate things for Christie if he does decide to run for President.

Gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts when Romney was governor.

Imposed on him by a liberal activist court - a Republican dream.  If this comes through the legislature then Christie will either have to sign it and hurt his chances of national office, or veto it and hurt his chances of re-election.  It's a totally different situation.

And Obama didn't?

Not to do with the money but I think the Obama-Clinton primary strengthened both of them as candidates.  The Republican primary this time seems to be diminishing everyone.

[Phillip V]

And Obama didn't?

Not to do with the money but I think the Obama-Clinton primary strengthened both of them as candidates.  The Republican primary this time seems to be diminishing everyone.

Another revision. The narrative at the time was that Clinton needed to step aside early and let Obama focus on the general election; that her attacks like the March 2008 "3 AM phone call" were destroying Obama's election chances and irrevocably dividing the Democratic base.

[CountDeMoney]

I still think Hillary would've made a better president.

[Razgovory]

Obama broke the record at the time for most money raised for a presidential campaign in 2008, Raztarski.

Well, there were only two presidential campaigns that went past the primary in 2008...  I think George W. set new records for campaign spending in 2004, and he didn't even have to worry about a Primary.