Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul

[Razgovory]

The traditional "closed shop", where a person has to be a member of the union in order to be hired,  has been illegal natiionwide for decades (with some exceptions in specialized industries and trades).

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

It seems Ide is doing that right now.

[Ed Anger]

The traditional "closed shop", where a person has to be a member of the union in order to be hired,  has been illegal natiionwide for decades (with some exceptions in specialized industries and trades).

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

It seems Ide is doing that right now.

Ide is eating a bag of Reese Cups right now.

[Razgovory]

He doesn't have the guts to try the Reese's Bar.

[Neil]

The traditional "closed shop", where a person has to be a member of the union in order to be hired,  has been illegal natiionwide for decades (with some exceptions in specialized industries and trades).

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

It seems Ide is doing that right now.

Ide has a law degree, but he isn't a lawyer.

[dps]

The traditional "closed shop", where a person has to be a member of the union in order to be hired,  has been illegal natiionwide for decades (with some exceptions in specialized industries and trades).

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

Ironically, the Bar Association isn't a union. 

[Neil]

The traditional "closed shop", where a person has to be a member of the union in order to be hired,  has been illegal natiionwide for decades (with some exceptions in specialized industries and trades).

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

Ironically, the Bar Association isn't a union.

It's a conspiracy.

[Sheilbh]

Looking it up union shops are also banned.  I think you can be required to contribute something but you can't be required to join a union.  But even that's apparently rare.

[ulmont]

The traditional "closed shop", where a person has to be a member of the union in order to be hired,  has been illegal natiionwide for decades (with some exceptions in specialized industries and trades).

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

Ironically, the Bar Association isn't a union.

The Bar takes your dues, lobbies for you, and has a system in place to settle disputes between you and third parties.  It's a union.  The former AFL-CIO head here described it as "the best union in the state."

[Barrister]

Looking it up union shops are also banned.  I think you can be required to contribute something but you can't be required to join a union.  But even that's apparently rare.

My father was fucked over because he was hired on for a job, but the union refused to give him a membership, so he couldn't get the job.

Fuck unions.

[DontSayBanana]

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

Administrative law.

At least in Jersey, the Bar membership is only required to provide legal services "to the public."  Since we don't tend to consider the government "the public," one can theoretically work as an administrative lawyer in NJ without being a member of the Bar association.

[DGuller]

The traditional "closed shop", where a person has to be a member of the union in order to be hired,  has been illegal natiionwide for decades (with some exceptions in specialized industries and trades).

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

Ironically, the Bar Association isn't a union.

The Bar takes your dues, lobbies for you, and has a system in place to settle disputes between you and third parties.  It's a union.  The former AFL-CIO head here described it as "the best union in the state."

Technically it's a guild, not a union.

[Ideologue]

The traditional "closed shop", where a person has to be a member of the union in order to be hired,  has been illegal natiionwide for decades (with some exceptions in specialized industries and trades).

Ironically, the closed shop survives in white collar occupations.  You try being a lawyer without joining the State Bar, for example...

It seems Ide is doing that right now.

Ide has a law degree, but he isn't a lawyer.

Correct.

[fhdz]

Looking it up union shops are also banned.  I think you can be required to contribute something but you can't be required to join a union.  But even that's apparently rare.

Indeed. I in fact worked for a union shop, and opted out of the union but was required to pay all the dues - everything, in fact, except for the $4 a month that went to the union's political action committee. I was the recipient of all the union's collective bargaining, etc but could not vote in the union elections.

[Mr.Penguin]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/wall_street_cra_pad_s31YWPjPTt0TYuxLGnu7IK

Occupy Wall Street protesters stay at $700-a-night hotel

By CANDICE M. GIOVE

Last Updated: 12:25 PM, November 20, 2011

Posted: 12:06 AM, November 20, 2011


Hell no, we won't go — unless we get goose down pillows.

A key Occupy Wall Street leader and another protester who leads a double life as a businessman ditched fetid tents and church basements for rooms at a luxurious hotel that promises guests can "unleash [their] inner Gordon Gekko," The Post has learned.

The $700-per-night W Hotel Downtown last week hosted both Peter Dutro, one of a select few OWS members on the powerful finance committee, and Brad Spitzer, a California-based analyst who not only secretly took part in protests during a week-long business trip but offered shelter to protesters in his swanky platinum-card room.

and he basically OWS movement treasurer with access to $500.000 in donations. No wonder that they refuse to have open books and tell how the money is spend...

[Mr.Penguin]

And there is of course this one...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-16-2011/occupy-wall-street-divided