Breaking: Turkey expels Israeli ambassador

[Siege]

Wrong. Avigdor Lieberman is a wako with no consistent policies.

Statements like this make me tremble with fear. Being too whacko for Seigy puts you pretty high on the crazy-meter.

It was Seige's condemnation of him being racist against Arabs is what made my eyes pop.

I am not racist of arabs, or anybody for that matter.
I am a sworn enemy of Islam and of muslims, regardless of their ethnicity.
Though I do confess I have an special relationship with arab muslims.

Avigdor Lieberman, on the other hand, hates not only arabs, but israeli arabs, because of ethnicity.
Many israeli arabs, though not the majority, are rather secular, many being bussiness owners, or whatever, and people like Lieberman are radicalizing this segment of the israeli arab population and pushing them into the hands of the radicals.

I am in the bussiness of killing enemies, not in the bussiness of CREATING more enemies.

[Neil]

I am not racist of arabs, or anybody for that matter.
I am a sworn enemy of Islam and of muslims, regardless of their ethnicity.
Though I do confess I have an special relationship with arab muslims.

There are Muslims in the US Army.  I have forwarded your post to the Commander-in-Chief so that you can be tried and executed.

[Zoupa]

It shows the general idiocy of the religious, however for me the breaking point, when it comes to the US, is the fact that there is a portion of the populace there who support Israel specifically because of Biblical reasons.

You can be a retarded rube who rejects science as much as you like, but when your idiotic worldview informs your international policy choices, shit gets real.

As opposed to the enlightened anti-semitism of Europe which dictates how they view Israel.

[Queequeg]

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman plans to hold meetings with the head of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a group which has maintained an armed struggle against the Turkish government since 1984 and is internationally recognized as a terrorist organization. Word of the meeting was published on Ynet.com which also suggested that the the PKK might ask Lieberman for military aid. The proposed meeting, which would add additional stress to Israel's tense relationship with Turkey following Turkey's recent decision to expel Israel's ambassador from Ankara, was met by cautious remarks from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office. Haaretz reports that the Prime Minister's office did not confirm or deny Lieberman's retaliatory plan but called for restraint with regards to statements concerning Israel's relationship with Turkey, stating, "Our policy was and remains to prevent a breakdown of relations with Turkey and easing the tensions between the countries."

Words fail.

[Zoupa]

Fucking great.

[Tamas]

While I dissapprove of this escalation by the Israeli FM, I would like to hear the difference between supporting a Kurdish terrorist organization, and blockade running to support Hamas.

[Martinus]

While I dissapprove of this escalation by the Israeli FM, I would like to hear the difference between supporting a Kurdish terrorist organization, and blockade running to support Hamas.

The blockade running (is this the proper term?) is not to support Hamas, but has humanitarian goals, at least prima facie.

If the Turks were meeting with Hamas officials then you would have an analogy.

[Martinus]

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman plans to hold meetings with the head of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a group which has maintained an armed struggle against the Turkish government since 1984 and is internationally recognized as a terrorist organization. Word of the meeting was published on Ynet.com which also suggested that the the PKK might ask Lieberman for military aid. The proposed meeting, which would add additional stress to Israel's tense relationship with Turkey following Turkey's recent decision to expel Israel's ambassador from Ankara, was met by cautious remarks from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office. Haaretz reports that the Prime Minister's office did not confirm or deny Lieberman's retaliatory plan but called for restraint with regards to statements concerning Israel's relationship with Turkey, stating, "Our policy was and remains to prevent a breakdown of relations with Turkey and easing the tensions between the countries."

Words fail.

I would love to see Israel help Kurds so Turkey can invoke article 5 of the NATO treaty over this. 

[Tamas]

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman plans to hold meetings with the head of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a group which has maintained an armed struggle against the Turkish government since 1984 and is internationally recognized as a terrorist organization. Word of the meeting was published on Ynet.com which also suggested that the the PKK might ask Lieberman for military aid. The proposed meeting, which would add additional stress to Israel's tense relationship with Turkey following Turkey's recent decision to expel Israel's ambassador from Ankara, was met by cautious remarks from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office. Haaretz reports that the Prime Minister's office did not confirm or deny Lieberman's retaliatory plan but called for restraint with regards to statements concerning Israel's relationship with Turkey, stating, "Our policy was and remains to prevent a breakdown of relations with Turkey and easing the tensions between the countries."

Words fail.

I would love to see Israel help Kurds so Turkey can invoke article 5 of the NATO treaty over this. 

This reminds me: you spend a LOT of effort trying to be this special snowflake in east euro Poland, and I do understand where you are coming from. Yet, you fail to realize the most mainstream and tying attitude you share with the lowest echelons of your home society: anti-semitism

[Martinus]

You are wrong. My anti-Israelism is not based in anti-semitism but hatred of right wing, nationalistic and religious-heavy ideologies.

[Tamas]

You are wrong. My anti-Israelism is not based in anti-semitism but hatred of right wing, nationalistic and religious-heavy ideologies.

There is clearly such an INTERNAL conflict within Israel, which appears to be full of fascist religious whackos around places of power.

But Israel's outside conflicts -no  matter how much they are caused by the internal right-wing fucktards- are conflicts between a largely western-style democracy and medieval populism. The world can only become a worse place by Israel's destruction (and this conflict on the long run will either end by Israel and the 1st world smacking the Arabs into submission and admittance of defeat, or the total destruction of Israel. No alternatives).

[Martinus]

I don't want destruction of Israel. I just want its right wing nationalistic government to be snubbed. The unwavering, unconditional support of the US for the Israel's foreign and internal policies does not help removing the right wing hawks from power there.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman plans to hold meetings with the head of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a group which has maintained an armed struggle against the Turkish government since 1984 and is internationally recognized as a terrorist organization. Word of the meeting was published on Ynet.com which also suggested that the the PKK might ask Lieberman for military aid. The proposed meeting, which would add additional stress to Israel's tense relationship with Turkey following Turkey's recent decision to expel Israel's ambassador from Ankara, was met by cautious remarks from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office. Haaretz reports that the Prime Minister's office did not confirm or deny Lieberman's retaliatory plan but called for restraint with regards to statements concerning Israel's relationship with Turkey, stating, "Our policy was and remains to prevent a breakdown of relations with Turkey and easing the tensions between the countries."

Words fail.

I would love to see Israel help Kurds so Turkey can invoke article 5 of the NATO treaty over this. 

The kurds don't have a country, and unlike AQ there also no country giving them shelter. The Kurds are an internal Turkish problem. Article 5 doesn't apply. Ever.

[Martinus]

I meant the article being invoked against Israel, of course. If Israel was funding/aiding an insurrection in the Turkish territory, then it could be seen as an act of aggression.

[Sheilbh]

You are wrong. My anti-Israelism is not based in anti-semitism but hatred of right wing, nationalistic and religious-heavy ideologies.

Lieberman and his party aren't at all religious, which is cause of a big divide within Israeli society.  As Siegey points out he's more of a racist, ultra-natonalist.  His party's been pushing (unsuccessfully) for loyalty oaths and has (successfully) banned opposition to the blockade.  I think they're also trying to investigate left-wing NGOs and charities for, in effect, giving comfort to the enemy.

It seems he can't get a break though.  Apparently the PKK are demanding an apology from Israel for helping the Turks arrest their leader back in the 80s or 90s