Breaking News - Major Terrorist Attack In Oslo, Norway

[Razgovory]

The people gathered on the island were there for many leftist causes, from rights of women, to GLBT issues, to anti-racism etc. The criticism of Israel for its treatment of Palestinian civilian populace is one of such causes.

In Amerian politics, those young people would be considered almost as radical as the shooter.

I know you prefer your general public to be docile and tranquilized, while they stuff their guts with fructose corn syrup and trans fats. Fortunately, we do not live in the US here.

Imagine how much better the world could be if more of it was like Poland...

I'd rather not eat black bread and live in a thatched hut.

[Berkut]

The people gathered on the island were there for many leftist causes, from rights of women, to GLBT issues, to anti-racism etc. The criticism of Israel for its treatment of Palestinian civilian populace is one of such causes.

In Amerian politics, those young people would be considered almost as radical as the shooter.

I know you prefer your general public to be docile and tranquilized, while they stuff their guts with fructose corn syrup and trans fats. Fortunately, we do not live in the US here.

Imagine how much better the world could be if more of it was like Poland...

I'd rather not eat black bread and live in a thatched hut.

But how do you feel about exterminating Jews?

You can't just look at the negatives of living in a near-paradise like Poland.

[Valmy]

I know you prefer your general public to be docile and tranquilized, while they stuff their guts with fructose corn syrup and trans fats. Fortunately, we do not live in the US here.

Yeah it looks like a veritable paradise.

[The Minsky Moment]

I know you prefer your general public to be docile and tranquilized, while they stuff their guts with fructose corn syrup and trans fats. Fortunately, we do not live in the US here.

So the only two options are to embrace Nordic socialism or to be docile and consume trans fats?

Methinks there are some excluded alternatives here.

[Malthus]

I know you prefer your general public to be docile and tranquilized, while they stuff their guts with fructose corn syrup and trans fats. Fortunately, we do not live in the US here.

So the only two options are to embrace Nordic socialism or to be docile and consume trans fats?

Methinks there are some excluded alternatives here.

Hey, in Canada we can do *both*! 

[HVC]

I know you prefer your general public to be docile and tranquilized, while they stuff their guts with fructose corn syrup and trans fats. Fortunately, we do not live in the US here.

So the only two options are to embrace Nordic socialism or to be docile and consume trans fats?

Methinks there are some excluded alternatives here.

Hey, in Canada we can do *both*! 

Oh Canada....

[Slargos]

So what is the bottom line after all this talk of "more openness and more democracy"?

- Bloggers have been interrogated by the police simply for being mentioned by Breivik
- Calls have been made (by politicians and newspapers alike) to tighten the laws governing expression on the internet
- Stores have censored the games mentioned by Breivik
- FrP (Progress party, Euro-lib with an anti-immigration platform) has been persecuted over the fact that B. used to be a member
- Police has prevented legal meetings of political parties
- Planned rallies on unrelated issues have been forced to relocate or been shut down entirely
- A general attitude that this needs to quell the entire immigration debate has been pervasive both among journalists and politicians

Just a couple of points of interest in the debate I've caught the last few weeks.

So much for "more democracy".

Or rather, when they say "more democracy" they obviously mean the Newspeak definition of democracy which is humanism, multiculturalism and ironically less actual democracy given that dissenting voices more or less automatically constitute "hate speech".

[Slargos]

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Apparently Breivik called the Police and wanted to give himself up during the shooting, but he either wasn't believed or there was no Protocol to deal with that type of situation and so it wasn't followed up. I've complained about the Norwegian OCD-like insistance on the nearly natural law status Protocol has in this society, but I never thought it would get so bad that lives would actually be lost in this fashion to it.

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The Norwegian police have come under heavy criticism the last few days over their handling of the situation, and they've actually been accused of going against Protocol when they waited for SWAT instead of sending in the first responding unit as is apparently the instruction for cases like these.

Additionally, there was a transport helicopter available which was not used, and the insistence on using their own boat to transport SWAT caused a 20 minute delay (after the engine broke down and the boat started sinking, at which point SWAT needed rescuing by civilians who were already busy risking their lives picking up swimmers under fire).

They are making the expected excuses and it's still far from clear whether any heads will roll. The fact that Breivik had already dropped his weapon before SWAT could get to him certainly doesn't look good in light of the decision to wait for SWAT before acting.

Knowing the Norwegians, nothing will come of it even if gross incompetence or negligence is concluded, but it's certainly going to be interesting to follow the investigation on the conduct of the Police.

[Razgovory]

So what is the bottom line after all this talk of "more openness and more democracy"?

- Bloggers have been interrogated by the police simply for being mentioned by Breivik
- Calls have been made (by politicians and newspapers alike) to tighten the laws governing expression on the internet
- Stores have censored the games mentioned by Breivik
- FrP (Progress party, Euro-lib with an anti-immigration platform) has been persecuted over the fact that B. used to be a member
- Police has prevented legal meetings of political parties
- Planned rallies on unrelated issues have been forced to relocate or been shut down entirely
- A general attitude that this needs to quell the entire immigration debate has been pervasive both among journalists and politicians

Just a couple of points of interest in the debate I've caught the last few weeks.

So much for "more democracy".

Or rather, when they say "more democracy" they obviously mean the Newspeak definition of democracy which is humanism, multiculturalism and ironically less actual democracy given that dissenting voices more or less automatically constitute "hate speech".

Yeah, when I finally Ragequite I'm totally giving your name over to the Norwegian Criminal  police.  It'll be so worth it.

[Slargos]

So what is the bottom line after all this talk of "more openness and more democracy"?

- Bloggers have been interrogated by the police simply for being mentioned by Breivik
- Calls have been made (by politicians and newspapers alike) to tighten the laws governing expression on the internet
- Stores have censored the games mentioned by Breivik
- FrP (Progress party, Euro-lib with an anti-immigration platform) has been persecuted over the fact that B. used to be a member
- Police has prevented legal meetings of political parties
- Planned rallies on unrelated issues have been forced to relocate or been shut down entirely
- A general attitude that this needs to quell the entire immigration debate has been pervasive both among journalists and politicians

Just a couple of points of interest in the debate I've caught the last few weeks.

So much for "more democracy".

Or rather, when they say "more democracy" they obviously mean the Newspeak definition of democracy which is humanism, multiculturalism and ironically less actual democracy given that dissenting voices more or less automatically constitute "hate speech".

Yeah, when I finally Ragequite I'm totally giving your name over to the Norwegian Criminal  police.  It'll be so worth it.

THIS is what pushed you over the edge? Listing all the ways in which Norwegian politicians and journalists are acting contrary to the message of "more democracy"? 

Seriously. Stop fucking talking about it, and do it already. You don't have to ragequit first, you little cunt. You're getting tedious.

[Razgovory]

No.  Of course not.  I just like seeing how the Norwegian authorities crack down on free speech.  I'd do it to be a dick.  The problem is of course they might take down languish as part of an investigation.  So I'd do it on the way out.

[Slargos]

No.  Of course not.  I just like seeing how the Norwegian authorities crack down on free speech.  I'd do it to be a dick.  The problem is of course they might take down languish as part of an investigation.  So I'd do it on the way out.

You're delusional. Even if they had that kind of clout to get a closed forum (distinction being that anything said here isn't considered uttered in public since it's a private gathering) based on a US server shut down for an investigation, Languish would be up as soon as vM finds another way to host it.

So, you little dickless jackass, put up or shut up. Don't make excuses.

[Razgovory]

Not risking it.

[jimmy olsen]

Met a young Norwegian woman of Chinese ethnicity on the plane back to Korea.

[Neil]

Met a young Norwegian woman of Chinese ethnicity on the plane back to Korea.

No, you met a young Chinese woman.