Iraqi police complicit in gay slayings

[derspiess]

I have to say this just makes me more confused about the openly gay man who was all ready to return to Iraq after getting asylum in NYC.

My confusion was already maxed out with his story.  This new story surprises me not at all.

[garbon]

I like that the plan that because people threaten you with violence, you should pretend to be something else.

[Razgovory]

25 Gays killed in Iraqs!!!!!






Tens of thousands of other people may also be dead.

[Martinus]

I like that the plan that because people threaten you with violence, you should pretend to be something else.

Yeah. If only all the retarded Jews in Germany in 1930s shaved off their beards, put on some Hilterjugend uniforms and stopped going to synagogues, Holocaust wouldn't have happened. They have noone to blame but themselves.

[Syt]

I like that the plan that because people threaten you with violence, you should pretend to be something else.

Yeah. If only all the retarded Jews in Germany in 1930s shaved off their beards, put on some Hilterjugend uniforms and stopped going to synagogues, Holocaust wouldn't have happened. They have noone to blame but themselves.

Didn't you watch Europa Europa?

[Berkut]

I like that the plan that because people threaten you with violence, you should pretend to be something else.

Yeah. If only all the retarded Jews in Germany in 1930s shaved off their beards, put on some Hilterjugend uniforms and stopped going to synagogues, Holocaust wouldn't have happened. They have noone to blame but themselves.

Actually, if I were a Jew in Germany in 1935, I would fucking leave.

I would not prace about shoviong my Jewness down the throat of people who like to kill Jews.

If I was not capable of leaving, I would seriously consider my options for concealing my identity.

being alive >>>>>>> being right.

[Sheilbh]

Isn't part of the problem that countries aren't accepting many Iraqi assylum seekers any more?  I mean in the UK the government policy is now to deport Afghani and Iraqi refugees because those countries are 'safe'

[garbon]

Actually, if I were a Jew in Germany in 1935, I would fucking leave.

I would not prace about shoviong my Jewness down the throat of people who like to kill Jews.

If I was not capable of leaving, I would seriously consider my options for concealing my identity.

being alive >>>>>>> being right.

So many Jews were at least partially at fault for their deaths?

[Valmy]

So many Jews were at least partially at fault for their deaths?

Is having any responsibility the same as being at 'fault'?

I mean if I start hanging around with people I know want to kill me, and I end up dead it is not my fault I am dead...but I do have a bit of responsibility for not being very prudent.

[garbon]

Is having any responsibility the same as being at 'fault'?

I mean if I start hanging around with people I know want to kill me, and I end up dead it is not my fault I am dead...but I do have a bit of responsibility for not being very prudent.

So you can be partly responsible but not share in any of the fault?

Regardless, I'd suggest that living in a country is a bit different from hanging around with people who want to kill you.  I'm actually a bit puzzled to hear everyone suggest that minorities should just blend in and there won't be any trouble.

[Berkut]

Actually, if I were a Jew in Germany in 1935, I would fucking leave.

I would not prace about shoviong my Jewness down the throat of people who like to kill Jews.

If I was not capable of leaving, I would seriously consider my options for concealing my identity.

being alive >>>>>>> being right.

So many Jews were at least partially at fault for their deaths?

Not at fault of course, but at the same time if you know your life is in serious danger, you are an idiot for not reacting accordingly, or thinking that because the unfairness of it means diddly squat.

[Valmy]

So you can be partly responsible but not share in any of the fault?

Regardless, I'd suggest that living in a country is a bit different from hanging around with people who want to kill you.  I'm actually a bit puzzled to hear everyone suggest that minorities should just blend in and there won't be any trouble.

I think to not do so is very courageous.  But it is just not a smart thing to do if not getting killed is something important to you.

The people who joined up with MLK were courageous and did have some responsibility for taking on a role that was likely to get them hurt or killed.  But they felt that possibility was worth the risk.

I guess 'fault' means to me that somehow they got what they deserved or that somehow if I was putting somebody on trial for the murder we could consider it a suicide.  That is a bit different.

[garbon]

Not at fault of course, but at the same time if you know your life is in serious danger, you are an idiot for not reacting accordingly, or thinking that because the unfairness of it means diddly squat.

Of course, if everyone reacts that way, how will things ever change (for the better)?

[Berkut]

Is having any responsibility the same as being at 'fault'?

I mean if I start hanging around with people I know want to kill me, and I end up dead it is not my fault I am dead...but I do have a bit of responsibility for not being very prudent.

So you can be partly responsible but not share in any of the fault?

Regardless, I'd suggest that living in a country is a bit different from hanging around with people who want to kill you.  I'm actually a bit puzzled to hear everyone suggest that minorities should just blend in and there won't be any trouble.

Nice strawman.

I think the only thing that has been said is that if you are gay and live somewhere like Iraq, you are an idiot of you are not being rather circumspect about it. That doesn't mean that there "won't be any trouble", it just means that you won't be dead.

[Valmy]

Of course, if everyone reacts that way, how will things ever change (for the better)?

They probably wont.