[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Rex Francorum]

I went from Quebec seperatist to proud Canadian.

Sorry, but that's fishy. I can understand to swap allegiance (people can change) but "proud" Canadian? Considering I do not remember something really worthy of becoming suddenly proud of Canada under Harper. Sure, he recognized the national status of Québec, but that was purely symbolic. If he would have started a decentralization process, now that's something I would have really supported. That would have been something to be proud of.

[Rex Francorum]

Move to France it is best. Just do not move to Paris. Go be Ed's next door neighbor in Normandy. Hey aren't most Quebecois descended from Normans and Bretons anyway?

Most?  I do not know.  But my paternal ancestors were definately from Normandy.  On my mother's side, they came from Poitou.

At lof french immigrants came from the West but many came from the Paris region as well.

[Valmy]

What do the numbers correspond to there? Last names origins?

Less Britanny than I thought. I generally associate the Bretons with French Empire and Colonization but I guess not in this case.

[Rex Francorum]

What do the numbers correspond to there? Last names origins?

Less Britanny than I thought. I generally associate the Bretons with French Empire and Colonization but I guess not in this case.

Sorry for the lack of context. It is a map who shows the distribution of immigrants (during New France era) by their home province. I presume the map only keeps data of those who settled in New France and excludes those who only stayed there temporarily (colonial administrators, merchants, soldiers).

Strangely, the numbers are weird. According to this article (only in french sadly), over 14 000 French emigrated to New France between 1608 and 1699. The numbers on the map do not correspond really. So, if the map does not accurately shows the numbers, maybe it is for the distribution ratio.

[Valmy]

Wait are those individuals? Only 3,000 or so people ever settled in New France and all the millions of Quebecois are all descended from these roughly 3,000 individuals? Or am I misreading this?

Edit: Ah I see. Still 14,000 is a very low number while France itself was exploding in population during this era.

[Rex Francorum]

Ah I finally found the right meaning of this map. It is a map showing the pioneers' (married immigrants before 1680) home provinces. Thank you Wikipédia for the lack of proper context.

[Jacob]

Really?  We've seem massive corruption?

We've seen electoral fraud.

Use of public funds for party related activities?

Yes, the continual spending of public money to advertise the accomplishments of the Harper government.

Contracts exclusively awarded to party donators?  Where??

The country's economy run for the benefit of the oil industry.

[crazy canuck]

You are missing the point.  The US does not have a political tradition of a left of centre governing party welcoming immigrants.

The Democrats are anti-immigrant? News to me but if you say so.

I didn't say so.  I merely observe there is no comparator to the Liberal party in the US political experience.  What Democrat outside of Sanders wants to promote the kinds of social democratic policies that are fundamental to the Liberal platform?  Those policies, together with a strong commitment to multiculturalism (another concept somewhat foreign to the American melting pot paradigm) has attracted the immigrant vote to the Liberal party for a long time.  So I say again, your first assertion makes no sense in the Canadian context. 

[Valmy]

I didn't say so.  I merely observe there is no comparator to the Liberal party in the US political experience.  What Democrat outside of Sanders wants to promote the kinds of social democratic policies that are fundamental to the Liberal platform?  Those policies, together with a strong commitment to multiculturalism (another concept somewhat foreign to the American melting pot paradigm) has attracted the immigrant vote to the Liberal party for a long time.  So I say again, your first assertion makes no sense in the Canadian context. 

I am capable of knowing things about places outside of the US ok? I already moved it over to Sweden so you can stop with the American provincialism high horse stuff.

Besides what is 'multiculturalism' besides adopting a conservative approach to immigrant cultures? That I already mentioned.

[Barrister]

Really?  We've seem massive corruption?

We've seen electoral fraud.

Use of public funds for party related activities?

Yes, the continual spending of public money to advertise the accomplishments of the Harper government.

Contracts exclusively awarded to party donators?  Where??

The country's economy run for the benefit of the oil industry.

What electoral fraud?

Government advertising that is thinly veiled political ads are unfortunately a time-honoured tradition.  YOu'll be seeing new ads touting the new governments programs within a few months (and all with an unsurprising red palette).

Economy run for the benefit of the oil industry?  I don't know how you measure that, but I can also tell you that the energy sector has been driving growth in Canada for the last number of years.

[viper37]

I went from Quebec seperatist to proud Canadian.

Sorry, but that's fishy. I can understand to swap allegiance (people can change) but "proud" Canadian? Considering I do not remember something really worthy of becoming suddenly proud of Canada under Harper. Sure, he recognized the national status of Québec, but that was purely symbolic. If he would have started a decentralization process, now that's something I would have really supported. That would have been something to be proud of.

let's just say I'm not ashamed of calling me canadian.  And I know lots of people who weren't federalists before who now are.

[Jacob]

What electoral fraud?

Dean del Maestro and Michael Sona have both received prison terms for breaking Canada's election laws for the Conservatives.

Government advertising that is thinly veiled political ads are unfortunately a time-honoured tradition.  YOu'll be seeing new ads touting the new governments programs within a few months (and all with an unsurprising red palette).

Yeah for sure, but it's not an exclusively Liberal vice as Viper37 appeared to argue.

Economy run for the benefit of the oil industry?  I don't know how you measure that, but I can also tell you that the energy sector has been driving growth in Canada for the last number of years.

Would have been wiser to diversify, IMO.

[crazy canuck]

Really?  We've seem massive corruption?

We've seen electoral fraud.

Use of public funds for party related activities?

Yes, the continual spending of public money to advertise the accomplishments of the Harper government.

Contracts exclusively awarded to party donators?  Where??

The country's economy run for the benefit of the oil industry.

Harper won his first minority government promising to clean up government.  And at first he was quite good at it.  But then things changed.  One good example of the change is the run ins he started having with the Parliamentary budget watchdog - an office Harper had promised and created after his first successful election.  While Viper is correct that the old Liberal practices of blatant patronage were not repeated, Conservative supporters were tried and convicted of a lot of shady activity and particularly surrounding elections and obtaining electoral support.  I don't see much of a meaningful distinction there and it certainly removed the ability of the Conservatives to continue to claim they were committed to good government.  The Liberals have spent years in the wilderness and will likely be slow to repeat the mistakes of the past. 

[crazy canuck]

Economy run for the benefit of the oil industry?  I don't know how you measure that, but I can also tell you that the energy sector has been driving growth in Canada Albertafor the last number of years.

fixed your post 

Take a closer look at the economy of BC.

[crazy canuck]

I didn't say so.  I merely observe there is no comparator to the Liberal party in the US political experience.  What Democrat outside of Sanders wants to promote the kinds of social democratic policies that are fundamental to the Liberal platform?  Those policies, together with a strong commitment to multiculturalism (another concept somewhat foreign to the American melting pot paradigm) has attracted the immigrant vote to the Liberal party for a long time.  So I say again, your first assertion makes no sense in the Canadian context. 

I am capable of knowing things about places outside of the US ok? I already moved it over to Sweden so you can stop with the American provincialism high horse stuff.

Besides what is 'multiculturalism' besides adopting a conservative approach to immigrant cultures? That I already mentioned.

That fact you misunderstand the Canadian definition of multiculturalism makes the claim made in your first sentence a bit doubtful