[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Valmy]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

The man who destroyed forever Quebec's chances at independence. A true Canadian patriot.

[Grey Fox]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

Why do you not like him?

It's pretty obvious, when you think about it.

Yes, but shortsighted.

[crazy canuck]

He was a man who dedicated his life to an issue he and many others were and are passionate about.  Few people can make that claim.

RIP

[Barrister]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

Why do you not like him?

He was racist.

[Drakken]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

Why do you not like him?

He was racist.

[Valmy]

He regularly told ethnic Albertan jokes.

[Grallon]

He was racist.

Imbecile 



G.

[Barrister]

He was racist.

Imbecile 

Hey - I drew out Grallon!  You are you doing G?

[viper37]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

The man who destroyed forever Quebec's chances at independence. A true Canadian patriot.

yes, there should be at least a University named in his honor somewhere in Canada

[viper37]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

Why do you not like him?

He mismanaged the Yes campaign, rushing in with no chance of victory and no plan to achieve victory.  He had half baked studies, rushed out to support the cause and hoped to convinced everyone with this, and it failed.

As a PM, he spent his one year tenure to prepare the referendum, reversing the few good decisions the Liberals had taken and not managing anything else in the government.  All his strategies were aimed at a victory, with no contingency plan.

Compare him to Georges Washington or Sam Houston.  Instead of rushing head on against an army superior in number and tactics, they harassed the main army, poked at it, retreated more often then they attacked, used patience, kept their forces together, and when the time came, they struck fatal blows to the ennemy.  the United States and Texas became independant nations.  Quebec did not.

As a PM, he was catastrophic.  It took until 1997 for the Quebec government to get a functional web site.  Even today, the word "functional" is lost to them, we inherited the architecture laid out by various government with no grand plan.  Bouchard tried to change that, but neither Landry nor Parizeau understood this.

As a former Premier, he was catastrophic for his party.  Always playing the step mother and criticizing everything, costing them victory in at least one case (Landry's would be election, paving the way for the disastrous Charest years) and not helping at all in many other circumstances.  And his economic theory is stuck in the 60s, with über state intervention in everything.  "It doesn't work?  We need more!".  Bullshit.

[Grey Fox]

Ok, now we know why Viper doesn't like him.

[viper37]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

Why do you not like him?

He was racist.

Xenophobic, more likely.  Racist implies you believe a racial group is superior to another.  Like the KKK.  Parizeau didn't believe that.  But he was mistrutful of non pure-laine Québécois.  Some of this mistrust was justified, given the Liberal Party tendancies to swear in new citizens by busloads (to the colours of the LPC) on the eve of elections and referendum.  But it should have been directed at the scumbags from the NO camp, like Chrétien, not the immigrants themselves, caught between two camps in a debate they may not have been entirely familiar with prior to their arrival.  It was the PQ's task to seek out these people and convince them of the merit of their option, it wasn't these people taks to bask in the love of the PQ or perish.

[Barrister]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

Why do you not like him?

He was racist.

Xenophobic, more likely.  Racist implies you believe a racial group is superior to another.  Like the KKK.  Parizeau didn't believe that.  But he was mistrutful of non pure-laine Québécois.  Some of this mistrust was justified, given the Liberal Party tendancies to swear in new citizens by busloads (to the colours of the LPC) on the eve of elections and referendum.  But it should have been directed at the scumbags from the NO camp, like Chrétien, not the immigrants themselves, caught between two camps in a debate they may not have been entirely familiar with prior to their arrival.  It was the PQ's task to seek out these people and convince them of the merit of their option, it wasn't these people taks to bask in the love of the PQ or perish.

I'll accept your correction.  Xenophobic then.

[Drakken]

RIP Jacques Parizeau.
Good finance minister in his time, mediocre PM and leader of the Yes camp for 1995.

Why do you not like him?

He was racist.

Xenophobic, more likely.  Racist implies you believe a racial group is superior to another.  Like the KKK.  Parizeau didn't believe that.  But he was mistrutful of non pure-laine Québécois.  Some of this mistrust was justified, given the Liberal Party tendancies to swear in new citizens by busloads (to the colours of the LPC) on the eve of elections and referendum.  But it should have been directed at the scumbags from the NO camp, like Chrétien, not the immigrants themselves, caught between two camps in a debate they may not have been entirely familiar with prior to their arrival.  It was the PQ's task to seek out these people and convince them of the merit of their option, it wasn't these people taks to bask in the love of the PQ or perish.

I'll accept your correction.  Xenophobic then.

Again, 

[Drakken]

Xenophobic, more likely.  Racist implies you believe a racial group is superior to another.  Like the KKK.  Parizeau didn't believe that.  But he was mistrutful of non pure-laine Québécois.  Some of this mistrust was justified, given the Liberal Party tendancies to swear in new citizens by busloads (to the colours of the LPC) on the eve of elections and referendum.  But it should have been directed at the scumbags from the NO camp, like Chrétien, not the immigrants themselves, caught between two camps in a debate they may not have been entirely familiar with prior to their arrival.  It was the PQ's task to seek out these people and convince them of the merit of their option, it wasn't these people taks to bask in the love of the PQ or perish.

So the fact that Parizeau was calling out the Canadian ethnic-community congresses (like the Italo-Canadians, Jewish-Canadians, and Helleno-Canadians) which asked its members to vote in block for the No side, despite any argument in favour of independence, made him xenophobic?

I'm not a separatist, this is just such a wide jab.