[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Grey Fox]

You don't seem to like us much tho.

[crazy canuck]

I'm not convinced that the unions would be willing to detach themselves from party politics, and I'm similarily not convinced that Liberals would be happy in a party with such close ties to organized labour.

The unions may not have as much of a hold over the NDP after this leadership contest - depending on who wins.  And really that is going to be a telling point for the future of the party.  Are they going to continue to move to the centre and take over the void left by the Liberals or are they going to go back to being a left wing protest party.

[viper37]

Canadians, english Canadians will never like us, that's a fact.  I'm not an idiot.  I can see all the love from Neil and Malthus.  It's shut your mouth and keep to your hole.  That's why we need to be their leaders.  Once we get out of this position of weakness, they'll be dependant on our cash, and they'll play to our tune. 

. Vipes, your paranoia has jumped the shark - it's just dull. English Canadians don't really hate you, and your Pinky-and-the-Brain act of "muah ha ha, one day we will take over!!!" is more sad and tiresome than funny.

You live in your own province, you do not need to come to my province, into my city and tell me we need to change, not me, tell the government that we need to change everything about it, all the street names, the names of malls, the names of anything, that will be viewed by people by English people and tell me to change the language, to the language that your province decided they wanted to speak. Source: LYBIO.net I live in Canada and I'm talking about Quebec and I live in Ottawa and I'm tired of Quebecers, Quebecians, whatever you wanna call them, people from Quebec, they changed the name of my street, my street is called Avenue, what the (beep) is that! What the! What! Is That! The mall over there, you can't see my hand, (beep) you. The Mall, Place d'Orléans or d'Orléans they actually have a accent on it, Place d'Orléans. And we call it plas dorleans, and that sounds retarded, door-leans is not a word! If it was me running the city, it would be called Orleans Shopping Center because French people refuse to learn the English language. I know French people from Quebec that don't know the English language. You are living in Canada. CANADA! Your primary language is ENGLISH NOT FRENCH! And yet, you demand that we learn your language. (holds up middle finger, nods head) it's not happening, Political Science, the worst one, Liberal, it says right there, okay, it says the guys name, and right underneath it says Liberal and then right beside it and right beside it, it says: Libéral – right beside it. The only difference between Liberal and Libéral is a little ch-klunk on the e. It's the only difference. Someone is talking to me on Facebook. Oh, no, notification.

I feel the love already

[viper37]

Viper, by now you will have realized Grallon is a damn the torpedoes type of separatist.

Yeah, I know.  There are a few like him.  People who think speaking of sovereignty will be enough to convince everyone to join the Faith, er, I mean, the option

Canada is far from perfect, way too centralized, but, after, 150 years, it's given us a commercial space free of barriers or trade tariffs.  We can import stuff from China via Vancouver and rail up to Montreal, if there was another border control, the costs would jumps. 

Lots of treaties are signed in Canada's name and we'd have to renegotiate everything as we accede to independance.  It's a time consuming process, and time is money. 

The PQ is socialist before it is nationalist, and that's a problem to me.  Fuck, during the last campaign, the Bloc Québécois allied itself with the FTQ, after all the corruption and mafia ties had been pubicly revealed by several medias' investigation.  And now, the PQ, faced with an internal crisis threatening to destroy the party, what's their genius move?  They give, again, a job to Géral Larose. The man tried to have an hotel blown up because he couldn't get his way with the entrepreneur and force his union thugs on him.  In the end, the poor entrepreneur was destroyed, crushed by the combined efforts of this union scum and his government ally.  And the seperatists are proud to ally themselves with that kind of bastard!

[Neil]

Canadians, english Canadians will never like us, that's a fact.  I'm not an idiot.  I can see all the love from Neil and Malthus.  It's shut your mouth and keep to your hole.  That's why we need to be their leaders.  Once we get out of this position of weakness, they'll be dependant on our cash, and they'll play to our tune. 

. Vipes, your paranoia has jumped the shark - it's just dull. English Canadians don't really hate you, and your Pinky-and-the-Brain act of "muah ha ha, one day we will take over!!!" is more sad and tiresome than funny.

You live in your own province, you do not need to come to my province, into my city and tell me we need to change, not me, tell the government that we need to change everything about it, all the street names, the names of malls, the names of anything, that will be viewed by people by English people and tell me to change the language, to the language that your province decided they wanted to speak. Source: LYBIO.net I live in Canada and I'm talking about Quebec and I live in Ottawa and I'm tired of Quebecers, Quebecians, whatever you wanna call them, people from Quebec, they changed the name of my street, my street is called Avenue, what the (beep) is that! What the! What! Is That! The mall over there, you can't see my hand, (beep) you. The Mall, Place d'Orléans or d'Orléans they actually have a accent on it, Place d'Orléans. And we call it plas dorleans, and that sounds retarded, door-leans is not a word! If it was me running the city, it would be called Orleans Shopping Center because French people refuse to learn the English language. I know French people from Quebec that don't know the English language. You are living in Canada. CANADA! Your primary language is ENGLISH NOT FRENCH! And yet, you demand that we learn your language. (holds up middle finger, nods head) it's not happening, Political Science, the worst one, Liberal, it says right there, okay, it says the guys name, and right underneath it says Liberal and then right beside it and right beside it, it says: Libéral – right beside it. The only difference between Liberal and Libéral is a little ch-klunk on the e. It's the only difference. Someone is talking to me on Facebook. Oh, no, notification.

I feel the love already

Some French speakers are assholes.  That's just the way it is.

[viper37]

and your Pinky-and-the-Brain act of "muah ha ha, one day we will take over!!!" is more sad and tiresome than funny.

It ain't about taking over.  It's about getting respect, by any means necessary.
But given your stance on the language laws, I figure you agree with Jane Wong's stance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Wong#Controversy

Again, I feel the love from English Canada:

Wong wrote, "is how alienating the decades-long linguistic struggle has  been in the once-cosmopolitan city. It hasn't just taken a toll on  long-time anglophones, it's affected immigrants, too. To be sure, the  shootings in all three cases were carried out by mentally disturbed  individuals. But what is also true is that in all three cases, the  perpetrator was not pure laine, the argot for a 'pure' francophone.  Elsewhere, to talk of racial 'purity' is repugnant. Not in Quebec."

And one more love letter before I go to bed

Think about what this would mean if Quebec ever were to become  independent, and detached from the leadership of politicians who know  the difference between a democracy and a gang of fanatical  exterminationists. You can bet that Hezbollah would be off the official  terrorism list by Day two of the Republic of Quebec's existence. By Day  three, word would go out to the Islamosphere that Quebec was the new  "Londonistan," to cite the title of a riveting new book by British  journalist Melanie Phillips, chronicling the rise of militant Islam in  her country.

[Razgovory]

It ain't about taking over.  It's about getting respect, by any means necessary.

Perhaps you can get respect by offering some of your own.  The anglophone Canadians have given French a protective status in their provinces and in Federal government.  Perhaps you can do something similar for English in Quebec.  Or some of the First Nation languages.  Or any other minority language.  Respect is fostered mutual by precipitation.  I see the Anglos giving and you taking but not the other way around.  What exactly does Quebec offer to Canada?

[Zoupa]

The anglophone Canadians have given French a protective status in their provinces and in Federal government. 

Obvious troll is: trolling.

[Grey Fox]

What exactly does Quebec offer to Canada?

Great Prime Ministers.

[Malthus]

and your Pinky-and-the-Brain act of "muah ha ha, one day we will take over!!!" is more sad and tiresome than funny.

It ain't about taking over.  It's about getting respect, by any means necessary.
But given your stance on the language laws, I figure you agree with Jane Wong's stance.

Why do you care so much? Myself, I never worry that some other province "respect" mine. Hey, I live in Toronto, a city which is seemingly hated by the rest of the country! 

You want "respect", stop being so damn paranoid, needy and touchy.

Oh, and you personally would get more "respect" if you ceased assuming that others agree with random celebs that have you all worked up. Just saying.

[Valmy]

You want "respect", stop being so damn paranoid, needy and touchy.

Actually just stop wanting respect.  Respect is just not very common currency in the political world today.

[Barrister]

Alberta doesn't need respect.  We have money.   

[Malthus]

You want "respect", stop being so damn paranoid, needy and touchy.

Actually just stop wanting respect.  Respect is just not very common currency in the political world today.

Hence my first (rhetorical) question. 

Anyway, a person from Quebec has no business complaining to a person from Toronto that he's disliked by the country. 

[HVC]

Anyway, a person from Quebec has no business complaining to a person from Toronto that he's disliked by the country. 

I like being disliked. means we're better

[Grey Fox]

I wonder what the ROC hates more Toronto or Quebec.