[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

then get your MP's vaccinated. wedge gone.

what about freedom of religion?  It ain't good anymore?
It is a way to get out of mandatory vaccination for federal employees.  But not for MPs?

This is why it's a wedge issue.

[HVC]

then get your MP's vaccinated. wedge gone.

what about freedom of religion?  It ain't good anymore?
It is a way to get out of mandatory vaccination for federal employees.  But not for MPs?

This is why it's a wedge issue.

when even the Mennonites tell people to get vaccinated the whole religious exemption seems lacking.

[Barrister]

then get your MP's vaccinated. wedge gone.

The thing is though that MPs are not like ordinary federal government employees.  They are elected by the voters and answer to the voters, not to the PM.

[HVC]

then get your MP's vaccinated. wedge gone.

The thing is though that MPs are not like ordinary federal government employees.  They are elected by the voters and answer to the voters, not to the PM.

and they can still attend virtually, and thus can do their duties.

O'toole saying the government should be concentrating on fighting vaccine hesitancy while  coddling vaccine sceptics (to put it nicely) in his own party is asinine.

[Barrister]

and they can still attend virtually, and thus can do their duties.

O'toole saying the government should be concentrating on fighting vaccine hesitancy while  coddling vaccine sceptics (to put it nicely) in his own party is asinine.

I've been in courtrooms where one side is physically present, and another side is appearing remotely.  The remote appearance is nowhere near as effective.  An MP who can only appear remotely is a less effective MP.

[HVC]

then he's letting down his constituents by not getting vaccinated. People should show their displeasure and vote him or her out next time. it's the MP's actions or lack there of that's causing the harm. If they believed clothes were harmful could they show up naked? should they be allowed to because they were voted in?

[viper37]

when even the Mennonites tell people to get vaccinated the whole religious exemption seems lacking.

The Supreme Court latest ruling on the subject is that the practice does not need to be followed by the group at large for a religious conviction to be sincere.

If Trudeau believes it is not a valid exemption, than why include it for Federal bureaucrats at all?

[viper37]

then he's letting down his constituents by not getting vaccinated. People should show their displeasure and vote him or her out next time. it's the MP's actions or lack there of that's causing the harm.

I agree.  But Trudeau left open an exemption for some Federal employees.  But he does not want the same for the MPs.

Either remove that silliness for federal employees, or provide the same for Federal MPs.  No different treatment, end of story.
Those MPs will have to justify themselves in front of a judge, if need be.  But as it is, I am totally fine with the exact same rules as other Federal employees.  As silly as I find them.

If they believed clothes were harmful could they show up naked? should they be allowed to because they were voted in?

If it was a sincere religious belief, most likely yes

[Grey Fox]

I fully support vaccine use and think Trudeau is using it as a wedge issue.

Why is that?

Because that's what he does, and because he knows the Conservatives are vulnerable on this issue.  The Conservatives are the only ones who have not said all their MPs are vaccinated, but the majority of Canadians support vaccinations.

The conservatives are pandering to the same crowd Bernier is. That's on them. Anti-vaxxers have proven themselves to be people that do not believe in society. They should not be allowed to represent anyone in our democracy.

[Barrister]

I fully support vaccine use and think Trudeau is using it as a wedge issue.

Why is that?

Because that's what he does, and because he knows the Conservatives are vulnerable on this issue.  The Conservatives are the only ones who have not said all their MPs are vaccinated, but the majority of Canadians support vaccinations.

The conservatives are pandering to the same crowd Bernier is. That's on them. Anti-vaxxers have proven themselves to be people that do not believe in society. They should not be allowed to represent anyone in our democracy.

According to the first stats I found on google, 6% of Canadians are insistent they will never be vaccinated, and a further 6% are vaccine hesitant.

I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of disenfranchising 13% of Canadians.

[Grey Fox]

We disenfranchise children all the time.

[viper37]

They should not be allowed to represent anyone in our democracy.

I agree with the first part, but not this one.  as long as someone respects the rules of democracy (so far, the Cons have done better than the Libs on that ), they have the rigth to represent the people that elect them.

The Federal govt is totally justified in mandating vaccination.  With the same rules for everybody.

[viper37]

According to the first stats I found on google, 6% of Canadians are insistent they will never be vaccinated, and a further 6% are vaccine hesitant.

I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of disenfranchising 13% of Canadians.

lawyer inflation?  6+6 =12

[Barrister]

According to the first stats I found on google, 6% of Canadians are insistent they will never be vaccinated, and a further 6% are vaccine hesitant.

I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of disenfranchising 13% of Canadians.

lawyer inflation?  6+6 =12

Typo.  7% of Canadians insist they will never get vaccinated.

[crazy canuck]

then get your MP's vaccinated. wedge gone.

The thing is though that MPs are not like ordinary federal government employees.  They are elected by the voters and answer to the voters, not to the PM.

Right MPs serve the public, so why are there some within the Conservative Party who refuse to do what is clearly in the public interest.