[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

I understand Carney had to go. I just don't understand the hours upon hours of punditry, comments, overanalysis of he said/he said. This sort of BS is what reinforces monarchical presidencies.

You're the historian.
Please tell us if the age of 24hr news has really made it worst than newspapers of the past.
I recall the era of Allo Police from my youth, going to my uncle's place.  Not sure we have lost that much.

[crazy canuck]

I understand Carney had to go. I just don't understand the hours upon hours of punditry, comments, overanalysis of he said/he said. This sort of BS is what reinforces monarchical presidencies.

Because whether we'd like it or not, and we certainly don't like it, it really matters what Trump says from day-to-day and even an hour to hour. It is so unpredictable and chaotic that decision makers who were trying to engage in risk management have to pay attention to what the orange man is saying.

[Jacob]

I haven't follow any of the 24-hour analysis of the visit.

In a broader sense I do pay attention to the rhetoric coming out of Trump's regime, but more on a week by week basis than minute by minute. As such I think it's worth noting what Trump's initial attitude towards Carney is as it sets the stage for what comes next.

[Bauer]

The just of it is that they appeared cordial to each other, but the content of trumps talk didn't change.  Carney defended our sovereignty with his some things are not for sale bit that was pretty good, but otherwise avoided engaging and used body language/expressions while Trump rambled.  So I'd say Carney did as well as he could have. 

We have to be realistic here going forward.  A big win will be getting some semblance of order for the duration of trumps second term, but it's not going to be pretty.

[crazy canuck]

I think that's a very good assessment

[HVC]

I have a feeling Smith wasn't in that chorus of congratulations.

[Josephus]

A Quebec riding just flipped to the Liberals by one vote

[Bauer]

One vote, wow

So the libs have 170 seats now and only need to convince 2 ndp to cross the floor.

I'd rather not vote again for 4 years if possible. 

[Jacob]

One vote. That's incredible.

[HVC]

Guess every vote does count.

[crazy canuck]

One vote, wow

So the libs have 170 seats now and only need to convince 2 ndp to cross the floor.

I'd rather not vote again for 4 years if possible. 

For all practical purposes, there is a majority government now.  It is very unlikely the NDP want another election anytime soon, and probably same for the Bloc.

[Jacob]

Separatist group releases potential Alberta referendum question
Alberta Prosperity Project says it will push the premier to hold referendum in 2025

An Alberta separatist group released on Monday a referendum question on independence from Canada that it will petition to get in front of provincial voters — but only once it has garnered support from 600,000 Albertans.

That's more than triple the number of signatures the Alberta Prosperity Project (APP) would need under a new United Conservative Party government bill that makes it much easier to force a referendum on the ballot.

The group also said it would push Premier Danielle Smith to allow a separation referendum later in 2025, instead of next year as she's suggested. They said a critical mass of separatist UCP members can persuade the premier to fast-track the referendum.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-alberta-prosperity-project-referendum-question-1.7532890

My suggestion to Conservative Albertans who do not want to separate is to start a federalist conservative party to challenge Danielle Smith. Federalist MPs should cross the floor to form this new party, and UCP activists and members should join it.

Please take the threat to Canada seriously.

[Barrister]

Separatist group releases potential Alberta referendum question
Alberta Prosperity Project says it will push the premier to hold referendum in 2025

An Alberta separatist group released on Monday a referendum question on independence from Canada that it will petition to get in front of provincial voters — but only once it has garnered support from 600,000 Albertans.

That's more than triple the number of signatures the Alberta Prosperity Project (APP) would need under a new United Conservative Party government bill that makes it much easier to force a referendum on the ballot.

The group also said it would push Premier Danielle Smith to allow a separation referendum later in 2025, instead of next year as she's suggested. They said a critical mass of separatist UCP members can persuade the premier to fast-track the referendum.

...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-alberta-prosperity-project-referendum-question-1.7532890

My suggestion to Conservative Albertans who do not want to separate is to start a federalist conservative party to challenge Danielle Smith. Federalist MPs should cross the floor to form this new party, and UCP activists and members should join it.

Please take the threat to Canada seriously.

A very modest proposal Jacob.

There is no threat to Canada of Albertan separation.  There's nobody of any consequence who is actually in favour of it.  Smith certainly isn't.  They like to hold this kabuki dance of "well you better give us what we want or the separatists will win" when there aren't actually any separatists.

Not to mention that an independent Alberta would be a landlocked country with no independent way to get our oil to foreign markets.  You think we're having problems building pipelines now?  Wait till we have to negotiate with ROC as a foreign country.  And the US?  We couldn't build any when we were a part of Canada - what leverage would an independent Alberta have?

[Zoupa]

If fucking Alberta manages to get 50%+1 before Quebec (twice), I'm gonna riot.

[Jacob]

A very modest proposal Jacob.

I mean, conservative Alberta does have a bit of form for splitting parties as part of internal power struggles.

There is no threat to Canada of Albertan separation.  There's nobody of any consequence who is actually in favour of it.  Smith certainly isn't.  They like to hold this kabuki dance of "well you better give us what we want or the separatists will win" when there aren't actually any separatists.

I hope you're right. Then again, very few people in power were in favour of Brexit either.

Not to mention that an independent Alberta would be a landlocked country with no independent way to get our oil to foreign markets.  You think we're having problems building pipelines now?  Wait till we have to negotiate with ROC as a foreign country.  And the US?  We couldn't build any when we were a part of Canada - what leverage would an independent Alberta have?

Yeah, I agree.