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Started by Admiral Yi, March 06, 2011, 01:50:53 PM

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Razgovory

#150
March 09, 2011, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 08, 2011, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 08, 2011, 08:06:23 PM
Hey Derspeiss, I was looking at that Breitbart site while Languish was down.  A lot of "thug" talk.

Some interesting youtube videos as well if you search for "union thug". 

QuoteI suppose that's the new thing.  What does it mean when someone calls the President a "Welfare thug"?

Dunno.

I'll look up Union thug, you see if you can find out what a "welfare thug" is.
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Strix

#151
March 09, 2011, 03:05:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2011, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 06, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
NY workers can retire at 55 with full benefits.

Is that after 20 or 25 years vested?

In my Union, you need 25 years vested, 27 years if you want a full pension.
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MadImmortalMan

#152
March 09, 2011, 03:12:51 PM
Who works 27 years at one job anymore? I assume you can count your previous years toward that if you move to a different job and transfer your pension with you.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Strix

#153
March 09, 2011, 03:36:48 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 09, 2011, 03:12:51 PM
Who works 27 years at one job anymore? I assume you can count your previous years toward that if you move to a different job and transfer your pension with you.

Only if you stay with the State.
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." - Margaret Thatcher

MadImmortalMan

#154
March 09, 2011, 04:00:28 PM
How very 19th century.



The problem is that the economic structure pendulum is swinging away from the consolidation that happened with the industrial revolution. We went from individual farmer-operators in the economy when we were all doing agriculture to consolidating into working for companies. Now we're going back to being individual operators in the information age. The future of the labor market is not going to be an environment where staying at one job for decades is common. We'll all be contractors and short-termers, so our method of retirement savings needs to shift too.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

derspiess

#155
March 09, 2011, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 09, 2011, 02:39:22 PM
I'll look up Union thug, you see if you can find out what a "welfare thug" is.

Deal.  First result was a HuffPo link, which I'm sure you already read :mellow:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/tea-party-leader-melts-do_n_286933.html

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Neil

#156
March 09, 2011, 05:46:40 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 09, 2011, 04:00:28 PM
How very 19th century.

The problem is that the economic structure pendulum is swinging away from the consolidation that happened with the industrial revolution. We went from individual farmer-operators in the economy when we were all doing agriculture to consolidating into working for companies. Now we're going back to being individual operators in the information age. The future of the labor market is not going to be an environment where staying at one job for decades is common. We'll all be contractors and short-termers, so our method of retirement savings needs to shift too.
Or we could just go back to how they retired before the Industrial Revolution.

At any rate, the shift towards poverty is somewhat alarming.
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MadImmortalMan

#157
March 09, 2011, 10:56:23 PM
Looks like Walker got what he wanted anyway.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

I guess this was inevitable.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Tonitrus

#158
March 09, 2011, 11:08:19 PM
QuoteOr we could just go back to how they retired before the Industrial Revolution.



:hmm:

jimmy olsen

#159
March 09, 2011, 11:41:18 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 09, 2011, 10:56:23 PM
Looks like Walker got what he wanted anyway.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

I guess this was inevitable.
I see a recall coming down the road.
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Slargos

#160
March 10, 2011, 01:04:14 AM
Well. After having skimmed through the thread, all I can say on Sask's ragequit is:

CountDeMoney

#161
March 10, 2011, 07:18:03 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 09, 2011, 10:56:23 PM
Looks like Walker got what he wanted anyway.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

I guess this was inevitable.

On behalf of all liberals, I'd like to thank the Wisconsin Republicans for ensuring Obama's reelection in 2012.  Thanks, guys!

Faeelin

#162
March 10, 2011, 07:20:09 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 09, 2011, 10:56:23 PM
Looks like Walker got what he wanted anyway.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

I guess this was inevitable.

What, they just realized they could do this?

CountDeMoney

#163
March 10, 2011, 07:28:37 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on March 10, 2011, 07:20:09 AM
What, they just realized they could do this?

Oh, I'm sure they've known all along they could;  it's just the matter of how much political will they were willing to gamble.  This kind of stuff never looks good, and there's always blowback.

Americans that don't know any better may not like unions, but one thing they definitely don't like are political machinations that don't look above board.

Neil

#164
March 10, 2011, 07:33:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 10, 2011, 07:18:03 AM
On behalf of all liberals, I'd like to thank the Wisconsin Republicans for ensuring Obama's reelection in 2012.  Thanks, guys!
What, this is going to motivate the public sector unions to be more pro-Democrat?  As if they weren't 100% dedicated to the cause already?
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