TV/Movies Megathread

[The Larch]

Also, Scarface is a 10 out of 10 GODDAMNIT.

The 10 for gangster movies is only for Don Corleone.

[Ed Anger]

You have watched GoodFellas already, right?

[Grey Fox]

French Dub of Scarface is awesome. Makes it seem much funnier.

[The Larch]

You have watched GoodFellas already, right?

Yup, IIRC Scarface was the last big gangster film that was missing from my checklist.

[Drakken]

Sunday: Scarface. Had this one in my to watch list for a long while, and finally managed to get to it. The look was so 80s that I think my hair got permed. Tony Montana must be one of the most unredeemeable and unlikeable characters in the history of cinema, but his story is the definite rags-to-riches(-to death) of the underworld. I read that it's a cult movie amongst low level members of the Camorra and other organized crime mobs, and I can see the point, a nobody rises to the top through sheer badassness and balls, yet the attitude that helped him rise also makes him fall. I must see it again in the original version, I feel that I missed lots of stuff watching it dubbed. I must also play GTA: Vice City again at some point.

8 gruesome executions with a chainsaw out of 10.

Scarface is especially worshipped in the black hip hop and gangsta' community because it's an idealized roadmap to money, power, and pussy or die' tryin. They take it to the first degree: every line of that movie has been sampled at least once and it's iconography copied.

What they willfully ignore, however, is that Montana is a sociopath, that he actually loses everything he attempted to care for and dies from backstabbing someone with way more clout and balls than him (I call bullshit on the no women no children rule of his, plenty of coke gangsters killed women and children while being coked out on their hits. It was just to make him a slightly more sympathetic Draco-type villain), he is a shell of his already-despicable self by the end, and that coked-up Miami-Dade county in the early 80s was so cutthroat and vicious, that Montana would have had no choice but to be that violent and vicious to survive. Put him in New York or Detroit, and he'd be dead within a week. In fact, Scarface tones down the violent setting of the times : there were several murders per day in that area at the time, just in Miami-Dade county, due to the cocaine cowboys murdering each other (and their families) over the control of the coke trade.

That said, I love Scarface. It's a fucking great movie that should be taken to the second degree.

[Eddie Teach]

Also, Scarface is a 10 out of 10 GODDAMNIT.

Nah.

[garbon]

True Blood is taking an interesting turn.

What I enjoy most thoroughly is that if we weren't following the main characters, the witch that attempts to destroy all the murdering vampires would be a Hero instead of a villain. 

Go, Marnie, Go!

You're joking, right? First off, it isn't weak ass "I'm so excited to make my parrot who was my best friend come back to life again" Marine.  And secondly, who the fuck roots for a witch?

[Slargos]

True Blood is taking an interesting turn.

What I enjoy most thoroughly is that if we weren't following the main characters, the witch that attempts to destroy all the murdering vampires would be a Hero instead of a villain. 

Go, Marnie, Go!

You're joking, right? First off, it isn't weak ass "I'm so excited to make my parrot who was my best friend come back to life again" Marine.  And secondly, who the fuck roots for a witch?

plenty of stories about female magicusers going up against monsters. witch can be a pejoratie term as much as descriptive. we don't know if she as an evil witch. all we know is that she's trying to kill a bunch of bloodsucking vampires. any other story and we would be cheering her on.

[garbon]

Most witches are bad. And no, I can think of lots of stories where returning violence for violence isn't a great course of action.

Besides, she's supported by Tara which is an automatic fail.

[Slargos]

Next you're going to tell me the "Wicked" Witches are evil aswell. As if murdering your sister and desecrating her corpse wouldn't get YOU pretty pissed aswell. 

[CountDeMoney]

Next you're going to tell me the "Wicked" Witches are evil aswell. As if murdering your sister and desecrating her corpse wouldn't get YOU pretty pissed aswell. 

Sorry, garbon roots for Dorothy in that one.

[The Larch]

What they willfully ignore, however, is that Montana is a sociopath, that he actually loses everything he attempted to care for and dies from backstabbing someone with way more clout and balls than him (I call bullshit on the no women no children rule of his, plenty of coke gangsters killed women and children while being coked out on their hits. It was just to make him a slightly more sympathetic Draco-type villain), he is a shell of his already-despicable self by the end, and that coked-up Miami-Dade county in the early 80s was so cutthroat and vicious, that Montana would have had no choice but to be that violent and vicious to survive.

Yup, he may have risen, but he also came crushing down and dragging the people he loved (his best friend and his own sister) with him along the way. I guess that wannabe gangstas don't really plan long term and only want to enjoy their moment in the spotlight, knowing that, even for a brief moment, they "made it", even if they go down afterwards. They don't want to build a lasting empire, they want to seize the moment no matter who they step on in the process, and that's their downfall. Compare that with "traditional" gangsters like Frank López, the guy Montana takes over, or the Corleones or the other families from the Godfather, who behave quite differently.

And I don't think he actually *had* to be that ruthless to succeed in Miami's underworld. Frank López seemed to do quite well, and it was actually getting dirty what brought him down. Montana's downfall was becoming a cokehead, which worsened his anger management and attitude issues. Because of that he doublecrossed Sosa and that was what brought him down.

[CountDeMoney]

Fock Sosa and fock the focking Diaz Brutters.

Focking cockaroaches.

[Razgovory]

Most witches are bad. And no, I can think of lots of stories where returning violence for violence isn't a great course of action.

Besides, she's supported by Tara which is an automatic fail.

Witches are better then Wicans.

[garbon]

Most witches are bad. And no, I can think of lots of stories where returning violence for violence isn't a great course of action.

Besides, she's supported by Tara which is an automatic fail.

Witches are better then Wicans.

At least one of the witches on the show called herself a Wiccan.