TV/Movies Megathread

[crazy canuck]

It's a pity Linda Hamilton's nipples didn't get more roles after T2.

Is there ever a day your misogyny takes a break or this you 24/7?

Really? Huh.

Its cumulative thing.  Once in a while someone has to call bullshit to all his sexist tripe.

[Eddie Teach]

Go back to sleep.

[Berkut]

I could use a nap.

[Grey Fox]

Forgot who gave a plug for Daybreak but thank you.

Starts out looking like a witty parody but turns out to be something quite unique.

Because of this, I watched the first episode.

It got me, I'm into it.

[Oexmelin]

I thought that was Crecy. Did they do that twice?

Maybe Genoese not as smart as their reputation.

I've read it happened at Agincourt.

IIRC, there are two accounts (on the grand total of 28 surviving contemporary or near-contemporary accounts) that mention crossbowmen at Agincourt - one that mentions they were kept at the back, and so could no longer fire once the melee was engaged. The other, saying they were even dismissed from the battle at the start, because they were not necessary.

[Valmy]

Yeah but they were not Genoese, the Genoese mercenaries were at Crecy I am pretty sure.

[Oexmelin]

Yeah but they were not Genoese, the Genoese mercenaries were at Crecy I am pretty sure.

Yes, Genoese were at Crecy. And probably also in Agincourt (they were present at the siege of Harfleur), and we find a bunch of Genoese being ransomed in the months that followed Agincourt.

[Valmy]

Ok I stand corrected then.

[Habbaku]

Mercenaries (many Italian, German, and Scots) are all over the place during the Hundred Years War, so I would be shocked not to have them be found at Agincourt as well.

The immediate aftermath of the Hundred Years War saw Charles VII and Louis XI (Dauphin at the time) struggling to contend with tens of thousands of mercenaries and former soldiers roaming the land, to give an idea of scale.

[Valmy]

Yeah but in the 14th century the Genoese crossbowmen had this reputation as being the best around and Phillip VI had hired a whole crew of them and famously they got rode over by the charge at Crecy which fucked everything up.

I didn't remember the Genoese still being such a big deal by the 15th century nor that a similar incident took place between the French cavalry and archers.

But hey there are so many similarities between Crecy, Poitiers, and Agincourt that they all sort of mold together

[crazy canuck]

Forgot who gave a plug for Daybreak but thank you.

Starts out looking like a witty parody but turns out to be something quite unique.

Because of this, I watched the first episode.

It got me, I'm into it.

[Sheilbh]

Jonathan Sumption (Hundred Years War historian)

And, until recently Supreme Court judge.

Shakespeare was well aware of all this. The essential facts are all in Holinshed. But he suppressed them in order to make his play a purely English story, the king's triumph an English triumph, the fruit of English courage.

He thereby missed a whole dimension of this great human tragedy. The truth would have been stranger than the fiction, but it would also, ironically, have been better: a very different drama, but certainly one worthy of Shakespeare.

I disagree with this. The really interesting thing about Henry V is all of that is true and it's an ultra patriotic play now. But it only became popular during the Napoleonic wars (and ever since), until then it was, with King John, I think the least performed play.

Shakespeare's biggest hit in those years were the Henry IV plays. The symbol of Englishness was Falstaff and taken together the Henry plays aren't about purely patriotic, English courage. It's the rise of Darth Vader.

[viper37]

Yeah, in what way was Normal rule an improvement for anyone other than the Normans? 

they set aside large parts of England as Royal forests, ancestor of our modern protected areas, where hunting and logging was prohibited to most.  In a sense, they were environmentalist rulers before their time.   



Seriously, Norman conquest brought the end of slavery, as their feodal system and the Church's opposition to slavery made it possible to eliminate it from England.
The idea of "Norman yoke" apparently comes from the 17th century.

[viper37]

Well they outlawed slavery and freed the remaining slaves. That was cool. Freedom to be a peasant.

Wikipedia says it was not outlawed.      Simply replaced by more economical and more practical feodalism.

I don't know. I used to have a long list of why the Norman Conquest wasn't ultimately that bad of a deal but really without a time machine to compare 12th century Anglo-Saxon England with 12th Century Norman England I guess we will never know.

Still from Wikipedia, there's apparently not enough date to compare the life of peasants before 1066 and after 1066 to draw conclusions on either way.  The harrying of the North was mostly a myth, and Norman oppression of Saxons too.

[viper37]

It's decently entertaining if you like the saga (certainly more enjoyable than Genisys or Salvation), but it feels really lazy.

I did like Salvation