Confederate history month in Virginia

[Agelastus]

They managed to jump straight from boggy asshole of the Spanish Empire

As retarded as Tim was to think you meant the British rather than the Spanish, this one is bordering on equality with that level of stupidity.  The Spanish and everyone in Europe considered the Dutch regions to be some of the wealthiest and most productive in Europe before the Dutch got their independence--it was one of the primary motivations behind trying to keep it and, later on, during the 30 Years War, trying to get it back.

Key productive areas were in the south, in Flanders.  Before the migration of Protestants north from the areas occupied by the Spanish throughout most of the 80 Year's War , not to mention the effect of the Dutch blockade of the Spanish Netherlands, the North was relatively unimportant economically and culturally.

The herring fishery and the carrying trade was based in the north, and had been so from before the outbreak of the Revolt.

[CountDeMoney]

Great, an ACW thread hijacked by an even more annoying conflict.

The Devil shits Dutchmen.  End of story.

[Bluebook]

Losing a war is the finest hour?  I'd hate to see what the worst one is.

Depending on time in history and place I'd say its probably what follows after losing a war.

[DisturbedPervert]

Great, an ACW thread hijacked by an even more annoying conflict.

The Devil shits Dutchmen.  End of story.

Swamp German hijacks are the worst

[Syt]

Jon Stewart had a rather amusing skit on this:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-april-8-2010/virginia-s-confederate-history-month---griffin-mascot
I guess some people will enjoy the commemorative chess board.

[Alcibiades]

Was just about to post this.  Spot on.   

I need to get that lawn jockey.   

[Siege]

So, if those southerner bitches were to rebell, would the US Army be called in to quell the rebellion?

[Razgovory]

So, if those southerner bitches were to rebell, would the US Army be called in to quell the rebellion?

Yes.  Refusal to do so would be a violation of your oath.

[Siege]

Not as if the british did not use the whole slave thing as a war measure during the first rising anyway.

And yeah, the colonies were suprisingly self-ruling before they abjured the realm. If anything, we traded a distant master upon the thames for one upon the potomac, who could much more practically rule us. It is better to have British rule than Yankee rule.

  No, you didn't!

Do you have any idea what the british did to Israel or South Afrika? Do you have any idea how hard was to the little 13 colonies to gain and maintain their independance against the more powerful empire that have ever existed?

You are a fucking coward and you disrespect all the ones that have died fighting the Empire for the freedom of their own lands.

[Agelastus]

Do you have any idea what the british did to Israel or South Afrika?

What do you mean? Are you referring to us letting in too many Jews to suit the Arabs? Or not letting in enough Jews to suit the proto-Israelis? All-in-all we got shat on by both sides in that region of the world.

You may have more of a point with South Africa.

[grumbler]

What do you mean? Are you referring to us letting in too many Jews to suit the Arabs? Or not letting in enough Jews to suit the proto-Israelis? All-in-all we got shat on by both sides in that region of the world.

And deservedly so.  Perfidious Albion's "policies" (which were not so much policies as expedient lies) in the Middle East deserve the criticism they accumulated over time.

[Agelastus]

What do you mean? Are you referring to us letting in too many Jews to suit the Arabs? Or not letting in enough Jews to suit the proto-Israelis? All-in-all we got shat on by both sides in that region of the world.

And deservedly so.  Perfidious Albion's "policies" (which were not so much policies as expedient lies) in the Middle East deserve the criticism they accumulated over time.

Would the USA have done any better, given the competing interests in the region?

[grumbler]

Would the USA have done any better, given the competing interests in the region?

Yes, given that the US wouldn't have the over-riding interest of expanding its empire on the cheap to incentivize the lying.  The best solution for the Brits and French would have been to stand clear after WW1, and then deal with the winners of the various Arab civil wars.

[Neil]

Would the USA have done any better, given the competing interests in the region?

Yes, given that the US wouldn't have the over-riding interest of expanding its empire on the cheap to incentivize the lying.

True.  The American drive for empire was focused elsewhere.

[grumbler]

Would the USA have done any better, given the competing interests in the region?

Yes, given that the US wouldn't have the over-riding interest of expanding its empire on the cheap to incentivize the lying.

True.  The American drive for empire was focused elsewhere.

Correct.  The US elite was interested in controlling the money, not the people.