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Started by viper37, April 07, 2010, 07:14:48 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: dps on April 08, 2010, 08:40:46 AM
Well, the point is, they were traitors who should have been hung.
The fact that they were traitors is not nearly as important as the fact that they were losers.  Being  losers somewhat made up for their treason.
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grumbler

Quote from: citizen k on April 08, 2010, 12:12:34 AM
Third Servile War (Spartacus' Rebellion) 71 BCE
Bonnie Prince Charlie 1746
John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry 1859
Easter Rising 1916
Warsaw Uprising  1944
Hungarian Uprising 1956
None of these were any nations' "finest hour."

Thermopylae is one.  Saragarhi was another.  The "Whitecoats" at Marsten Moor probably represented the "finest hour" of the royalist forces in the ECW, as there were few examples of units fighting to the death in that war.
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Martinus

Quote from: grumbler on April 08, 2010, 09:05:10 AM
Quote from: citizen k on April 08, 2010, 12:12:34 AM
Third Servile War (Spartacus' Rebellion) 71 BCE
Bonnie Prince Charlie 1746
John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry 1859
Easter Rising 1916
Warsaw Uprising  1944
Hungarian Uprising 1956
None of these were any nations' "finest hour."

Thermopylae is one.  Saragarhi was another.  The "Whitecoats" at Marsten Moor probably represented the "finest hour" of the royalist forces in the ECW, as there were few examples of units fighting to the death in that war.

Actually, the Warsaw Uprising is being celebrated in Poland as Poles' finest hour, at least in the living memory. Which is pretty stupid, since the uprising was based on false assumptions and information and was a mistake.

Caliga

I always confuse the Warsaw Uprising with the Warsaw Jewish Ghetto Uprising.  In fact I did that in a class once and the professor yelled at me.  :Embarrass:
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2010, 09:42:38 AM
I always confuse the Warsaw Uprising with the Warsaw Jewish Ghetto Uprising.  In fact I did that in a class once and the professor yelled at me.  :Embarrass:

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Berkut

Quote from: Lettow77 on April 07, 2010, 09:23:20 PM
1861-1865 was Virginia's finest hour.

Every time I think you've said the stupidest thing possible, you manage to trump yourself.

Hell, I could maybe see someone claiming that the Civil War was South Carolinas finest hour, or even Georgia or Alafuckingbama or something...but Virginia? The state that gave us George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? The cradle of the Revolution?
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Razgovory

This is stupid.  Virginia's finest hour was on May 7th, 1987 Between 1:00 and 2:00 PM.  It was a really nice day.
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Caliga

Actually, wasn't Virginia extremely reluctant to secede?  I think it may have been the last state to do so, in fact (not counting states that sort of fake-seceded, like Missourah and Kentucky).
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
Actually, wasn't Virginia extremely reluctant to secede?  I think it may have been the last state to do so, in fact (not counting states that sort of fake-seceded, like Missourah and Kentucky).
North Carolina only seceded after Virginia did.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
Actually, wasn't Virginia extremely reluctant to secede?  I think it may have been the last state to do so, in fact (not counting states that sort of fake-seceded, like Missourah and Kentucky).

Part of it didn't.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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DisturbedPervert

Quote from: Razgovory on April 08, 2010, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
Actually, wasn't Virginia extremely reluctant to secede?  I think it may have been the last state to do so, in fact (not counting states that sort of fake-seceded, like Missourah and Kentucky).

Part of it didn't.

West Virginia's finest hour

Razgovory

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 08, 2010, 11:39:00 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 08, 2010, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
Actually, wasn't Virginia extremely reluctant to secede?  I think it may have been the last state to do so, in fact (not counting states that sort of fake-seceded, like Missourah and Kentucky).

Part of it didn't.

West Virginia's finest hour

And it's firstest.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Lettow77

 Washington is very admirable, berkut, and secession was right then.

However, the damnyankees drove us into that war, and anyhow the South had far more reason to secede in 1861 than 1776. Moreover, the South did so with much more unity of spirit, as there were many tories in the South in the first go round, and sacrificed a far greater number of its sons, absolutely and percentegewise, upon the altar of freedom.

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Berkut

Quote from: Lettow77 on April 08, 2010, 01:05:27 PM
Washington is very admirable, berkut, and secession was right then.

However, the damnyankees drove us into that war, and anyhow the South had far more reason to secede in 1861 than 1776.

Yeah, they had ever so much more freedom under British rule from London.
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Moreover, the South did so with much more unity of spirit, as there were many tories in the South in the first go round, and sacrificed a far greater number of its sons, absolutely and percentegewise, upon the altar of freedom to own slaves.

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Lettow77

 Not as if the british did not use the whole slave thing as a war measure during the first rising anyway.

And yeah, the colonies were suprisingly self-ruling before they abjured the realm. If anything, we traded a distant master upon the thames for one upon the potomac, who could much more practically rule us. It is better to have British rule than Yankee rule.
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