Turkey for the EU!

[citizen k]

... the main way of inmigrating illegally is over staying a tourist visa,

Ah. Most illegal immigration in the U.S. is due to migrant workers.

[ulmont]

... the main way of inmigrating illegally is over staying a tourist visa,

Ah. Most illegal immigration in the U.S. is due to migrant workers.

Not really.  In 2006 45% of illegal immigration was due to overstaying a visa. 
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5485917

[Queequeg]

Also we let the bloody Greeks in.  I'd take Turkey over Greece any day.

Why?

[HisMajestyBOB]

Turkey only has 400 murders a year?

That can't be true, surely?

Letting Turkey in is right because they deserve it once they've made some more of the necessary changes to solidify their democracy.  On the other hand we should kick out the Cypriots.

Edit: And the Baltics and Romania and Bulgaria.

Once you let in greece it became hard to keep turkey out. They're the same, excpet the turks are less annoying.

So true. I traveled from Athens to Istanbul by train, and after spending a few days in both cities, I was struck by just how similar they were; even the scams they tried to pull on me were the same

[citizen k]

... the main way of inmigrating illegally is over staying a tourist visa,

Ah. Most illegal immigration in the U.S. is due to migrant workers.

Not really.  In 2006 45% of illegal immigration was due to overstaying a visa. 
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5485917

I still think migrant workers are the lion's share of those numbers.

[grumbler]

... the main way of inmigrating illegally is over staying a tourist visa,

Ah. Most illegal immigration in the U.S. is due to migrant workers.

Not really.  In 2006 45% of illegal immigration was due to overstaying a visa. 
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5485917

I still think migrant workers are the lion's share of those numbers.

I think you are right, and I am not sure what ulmont was thinking.  If you are correct, we would see exactly the numbers he is reporting as evidence that you are not correct. 

[ulmont]

I think you are right, and I am not sure what ulmont was thinking.

I'm thinking migrant workers tend more to cross the border illegally from the beginning than overstay a visa.

[citizen k]

I'm thinking migrant workers tend more to cross the border illegally from the beginning than overstay a visa.

I'm thinking that's correct.   

[ulmont]

I'm thinking migrant workers tend more to cross the border illegally from the beginning than overstay a visa.

I'm thinking that's correct.   

I'm also thinking that there's something other than "overstaying a visa" and "migrant labor" to account for some of the remaining 55% that is not overstaying a visa, which would make "overstaying a visa" the #1 cause of illegal immigration in the US.

[citizen k]

I'm thinking migrant workers tend more to cross the border illegally from the beginning than overstay a visa.

I'm thinking that's correct.   

I'm also thinking that there's something other than "overstaying a visa" and "migrant labor" to account for some of the remaining 55% that is not overstaying a visa, which would make "overstaying a visa" the #1 cause of illegal immigration in the US.

That would be the clandestine border crossing part.

[Neil]

No honour killings in Greece though

Don't be ridiculous.

[citizen k]

No honour killings in Greece though

Don't be ridiculous.

Are blood feuds considered to be honor killings?

[Neil]

Are blood feuds considered to be honor killings?

No, although that's a similar disorder.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

No honour killings in Greece though

Don't be ridiculous.

Are blood feuds considered to be honor killings?

that seems to be more of an albanian hobby

[Martinus]

Yeah, there is a difference there.

For example:

Person X kills person Y. Family of person Y goes to beat the shit out of the family of person X: blood feud, only encountered in barbaric countries.

Person X (who happens to be a cop) kills person Y. Thousands of people who never met Y go to beat the shit out of the police, the Man and any innocent bystanders, looting and blowing shit up for miles on end: riot, encountered in advanced and democratic countries (Greece, US).