Turkey for the EU!

[The Brain]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/04/girl-buried-alive-turkey

Turkish girl, 16, buried alive for talking to boys
Death reopens debate over 'honour' killings in Turkey, which account for half of all the country's murders

Robert Tait in Istanbul guardian.co.uk, Thursday 4 February 2010 19.03 GMT Article history

Turkish police have recovered the body of a 16-year-old girl they say was buried alive by relatives in an "honour" killing carried out as punishment for talking to boys.

The girl, who has been identified only by the initials MM, was found in a sitting position with her hands tied, in a two-metre hole dug under a chicken pen outside her home in Kahta, in the south-eastern province of Adiyaman.

Police made the discovery in December after a tip-off from an informant, the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet reported on its website.

The girl had previously been reported missing.

The informant told the police she had been killed following a family "council" meeting.

Her father and grandfather are said to have been arrested and held in custody pending trial. It is unclear whether they have been charged. The girl's mother was arrested but was later released.

Media reports said the father had told relatives he was unhappy that his daughter – one of nine children – had male friends. The grandfather is said to have beaten her for having relations with the opposite sex.

A postmortem examination revealed large amounts of soil in her lungs and stomach, indicating that she had been alive and conscious while being buried. Her body showed no signs of bruising.

The discovery will reopen the emotive debate in Turkey about "honour" killings, which are particularly prevalent in the impoverished south-east.

Official figures have indicated that more than 200 such killings take place each year, accounting for around half of all murders in Turkey.

Oh those lovable Kurds. All cuddly and shit.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

shitty barbarians.
do not want

[The Brain]

I think it's amusing that many people actually say that they want these freaks in the EU.

[Barrister]

I think it's amusing that many people actually say that they want these freaks in the EU.

You already have Balkantard countries like Bulgaria and Hungary.  I can't see how Turkey could be any worse than that.

[garbon]

Turkey only has 400 murders a year?

[Faeelin]

Turkey only has 400 murders a year?

Hrmm. But they're, umm, dirty?

I'm not sure what to say here. There is a crime, and the police have arrested those responsible and are keeping track of it.

[Agelastus]

I think it's amusing that many people actually say that they want these freaks in the EU.

Do you?

Letting Turkey into the EU is the best way of making sure the non-freaks remain in charge in Turkey. I consider that a laudable goal, don't you?

[Martinus]

Not really. It's like saying I should let in my smelly, obnoxious, dirty neighbours to live in my house, because otherwise they will wash even less and play music more loudly.

[Josephus]

Turkey only has 400 murders a year?

Yeah. Good thing America isn't trying to get in the EU

[Sheilbh]

Turkey only has 400 murders a year?

That can't be true, surely?

Letting Turkey in is right because they deserve it once they've made some more of the necessary changes to solidify their democracy.  On the other hand we should kick out the Cypriots.

Edit: And the Baltics and Romania and Bulgaria.

[Agelastus]

Not really. It's like saying I should let in my smelly, obnoxious, dirty neighbours to live in my house, because otherwise they will wash even less and play music more loudly.

They already "live in your house" though; aren't there about seven million of them in Germany for example?

I think Turkey should be allowed into the EU, but maybe that's because I worked alongside a secular Turk for several years (who kept trying to set me up with a Japanese girl she knew, but everybody has their little foibles after all...)

[Pat]

Turkey only has 400 murders a year?

That can't be true, surely?

Letting Turkey in is right because they deserve it once they've made some more of the necessary changes to solidify their democracy.  On the other hand we should kick out the Cypriots.

Edit: And the Baltics and Romania and Bulgaria.

Why the Baltics?

[Agelastus]

Turkey only has 400 murders a year?

That can't be true, surely?

I think it means 400 honour killings a year, not 400 killings in total. Actually, according to the last figures I can find, Turkey has a murder rate roughly three times that of the UK (per 100000 people.) Although it won't be long before Glasgow surpasses this rate, apparently...

[Sheilbh]

Why the Baltics?

Their discrimination against Baltic Russians is far worse than should be tolerable in the EU.

[Grinning_Colossus]

Not really. It's like saying I should let in my smelly, obnoxious, dirty neighbours to live in my house, because otherwise they will wash even less and play music more loudly.

More like letting your libidinous, mustachioed neighbors into your homeowners association, because otherwise the mutants they keep in their cellar will break out and murder them and then start throwing firebombs at you.