Anti-Minaret Online Referendum

[garbon]

Basically, I was just pointing out that people on the left can be just as intolerant as people on the right.

Meet San Francisco.

We're rather intolerant in our tolerance.

[grumbler]

Basically, I was just pointing out that people on the left can be just as intolerant as people on the right.

Meet San Francisco.

We're rather intolerant intolerable in our tolerance.

FYPFY

[garbon]

FYPFY

Maybe, although I don't have much of a problem with our tolerance (whatevs nudity, drugs and sex in the street). I do take issue with living in a supposedly tolerant place where churches and vehicles with Republican bumper stickers get attacked.

[Valmy]

Or as I'll repeat again, what was the purpose of your anecdote?

Amusment?  Interest?  I generally just post whatever comes to mind I had no grand point in mind.  Dick posted his experiences and I posted mine.

[grumbler]

FYPFY

Maybe, although I don't have much of a problem with our tolerance (whatevs nudity, drugs and sex in the street). I do take issue with living in a supposedly tolerant place where churches and vehicles with Republican bumper stickers get attacked.

It was just a cheap joke.  I agree with your sentiments.

[garbon]

t was just a cheap joke.  I agree with your sentiments.

Oh.

[Martinus]

Bravo to Switzerland. Way to show that Europe has less religious tolerance than America.

Not a bit of a surprise to me.  Europe is to the left of America politically, and it's pretty obvious that there is a significant minority on the left that thinks that freedom of speach, conscience, etc., only means freedom for those who think like them.

What the fuck are you talking about? The right wing parties supported the ban and the left wing parties opposed it - and it's the same situation vis-a-vis immigration and Muslim freedom of religion in pretty much all of Europe. So how the fuck is this a "left wing issue"?

Look at people like Grallon who have posted here in favor of the ban.  Are you claiming that he's a right-winger?  Grallon?  Granted, he's not a Euro, but he's certainly on the left.

Besides, I've already stated that my post was poorly worded.  Basically, I was just pointing out that people on the left can be just as intolerant as people on the right.

Intolerance is a psychological defense mechanism usually developed in response to threat/fear - which is why it is present on both sides of the political spectrum. That being said, I think the left is ideologically opposed to intolerance whereas the right embraces it as part of its ideology. Sure, there is often a widening gap between what one preaches and what one really does, but still leftists are intolerant despite their views, while many rightwingers are intolerant because of them.

[Martinus]

FYPFY

Maybe, although I don't have much of a problem with our tolerance (whatevs nudity, drugs and sex in the street). I do take issue with living in a supposedly tolerant place where churches and vehicles with Republican bumper stickers get attacked.

I don't think gays would be intolerant of churches if the said churches didn't take away their civil rights in the first place. Again, the leftist agenda very rarely aims at taking away rights of the rightists - we are not trying to ban heterosexual marriage, prevent heterosexual couples from adopting or raid churches and arrest churchgoers. We defend against the rightwingers trying to do that to us.

While extremism on both sides is nasty, you cannot equate the victim and the attacker.

[garbon]

I don't think gays would be intolerant of churches if the said churches didn't take away their civil rights in the first place. Again, the leftist agenda very rarely aims at taking away rights of the rightists - we are not trying to ban heterosexual marriage, prevent heterosexual couples from adopting or raid churches and arrest churchgoers. We defend against the rightwingers trying to do that to us.

While extremism on both sides is nasty, you cannot equate the victim and the attacker.

We have some very tolerant churches in SF. We even have actual gay churches (i.e. not gyms). In fact, a church that was recently vandalized by angry gays is a church near castro that is known for being quite liberal.

Would I have been an attacker with a McCain bumper sticker?

[Admiral Yi]

I don't think gays would be intolerant of churches if the said churches didn't take away their civil rights in the first place. Again, the leftist agenda very rarely aims at taking away rights of the rightists - we are not trying to ban heterosexual marriage, prevent heterosexual couples from adopting or raid churches and arrest churchgoers. We defend against the rightwingers trying to do that to us.

While extremism on both sides is nasty, you cannot equate the victim and the attacker.

I agree.  The attacker is excercising his political rights, the victim is committing a crime.

[Martinus]

I don't think gays would be intolerant of churches if the said churches didn't take away their civil rights in the first place. Again, the leftist agenda very rarely aims at taking away rights of the rightists - we are not trying to ban heterosexual marriage, prevent heterosexual couples from adopting or raid churches and arrest churchgoers. We defend against the rightwingers trying to do that to us.

While extremism on both sides is nasty, you cannot equate the victim and the attacker.

I agree.  The attacker is excercising his political rights, the victim is committing a crime.

Slave owners were exercising their property rights, John Brown was committing a crime.

The history didn't care for such technicalities when it decided who was right and who was wrong though.

[Neil]

Fortunately, history will be written by me.

[grumbler]

Fortunately, history will be written by me.

  Dunno about the others, but I think your one-liners rank just below Teh Braim's.  Thanks for being here.

[Admiral Yi]

Slave owners were exercising their property rights, John Brown was committing a crime.

The history didn't care for such technicalities when it decided who was right and who was wrong though.

Actually the history cares quite a bit about the technicality of John Brown's crime.  Just as it does about the rest of political violence committed in the name of the greater good.  And I'm pretty sure that history's judgement will be that gay rights supporters who vandalize churches and cars of their opponenets were in the wrong.

[garbon]

Actually the history cares quite a bit about the technicality of John Brown's crime.  Just as it does about the rest of political violence committed in the name of the greater good.  And I'm pretty sure that history's judgement will be that gay rights supporters who vandalize churches and cars of their opponenets were in the wrong.

I hate Brown.