Anti-Minaret Online Referendum

[Ed Anger]

So take an Islam appreciation class.

Take an anecdote appreciation class.

You didn't get all pissy with Dick when he relayed his anecdotes so why are you all pissy with me?

Because you like Vince Young.

[Faeelin]

I generally like people...

He has a point, grabon.  My buddy's wife's family (all Indian Muslims) are all very well-educated & in most cases seem pretty down to earth.  But the men in the family seem a bit prone to believe in conspiracy theories & whatnot.  I really like her family, but I steer clear of certain topics when I'm around them.

Eh. How many Americans fear flu shots, think Bush destroyed the Twin Towers, or think Obama is a Kenyan?

[Valmy]

Because you like Vince Young.

And any decent human being should.

[Valmy]

Eh. How many Americans fear flu shots, think Bush destroyed the Twin Towers, or think Obama is a Kenyan?

Way too many?

Point missed I guess.

[Martinus]

Yes this ban represents discrimination against one particular group; but it is warranted by this group's actions around the world. 

Do you even hear yourself?

[derspiess]

Eh. How many Americans fear flu shots, think Bush destroyed the Twin Towers, or think Obama is a Kenyan?

Relatively few among highly educated types. 

[garbon]

Point missed I guess.

Your point seemed like "yeah they are generally nice people although there are some strange things about them." I'm sure they could probably say the same about you and your type.

[Neil]

No gay organizations or individuals call for holy war, murder, terror attacks in support of their 'religion' - muslims do.

Martinesian Jihad does.

[derspiess]

I'm sure they could probably say the same about you and your type.

Yeah, but only if he held similarly bizarre beliefs, like Europeans discovered algebra before teh mooselimbs, or something.

Stop trivializing his point.

[grumbler]

I generally like people...

He has a point, grabon.  My buddy's wife's family (all Indian Muslims) are all very well-educated & in most cases seem pretty down to earth.  But the men in the family seem a bit prone to believe in conspiracy theories & whatnot.  I really like her family, but I steer clear of certain topics when I'm around them.

Eh. How many Americans fear flu shots, think Bush destroyed the Twin Towers, or think Obama is a Kenyan?

A far better question would be how many buddy's-brothers-in-law fear flu shots, think Bush destroyed the Twin Towers, or think Obama is a Kenyan.  You seem to be confusing an anecdote about specific individuals with some general rule.  That is always a logical error.

[grumbler]

Point missed I guess.

Your point seemed like "yeah they are generally nice people although there are some strange things about them." I'm sure they could probably say the same about you and your type.

He was talking about specific people.  What is Valmy's "type" that is the equivalent of his bud's bros-in-law?

[derspiess]

Grumbly = teh funny.

[Sheilbh]

I find the muslims in my district to be better behaved than the white majority, they seem to be hardworking family-oriented people, you know.......their mosque doesn't even have a minaret 

When reading the papers I find it impossible to reconcile the lurid accounts of Islam with my day-to-day reality. Of course it is harder for a denizen of Dorset to make such direct observations.

Yeah.  A problem I always have when people bemoan the lack of moderate Muslims is that I think 'well I know the moderate Muslims.  I went for a coffee with one of them last week.'  So yeah I find it difficult to reconcile too.

[Faeelin]

I generally like people...

He has a point, grabon.  My buddy's wife's family (all Indian Muslims) are all very well-educated & in most cases seem pretty down to earth.  But the men in the family seem a bit prone to believe in conspiracy theories & whatnot.  I really like her family, but I steer clear of certain topics when I'm around them.

Eh. How many Americans fear flu shots, think Bush destroyed the Twin Towers, or think Obama is a Kenyan?

A far better question would be how many buddy's-brothers-in-law fear flu shots, think Bush destroyed the Twin Towers, or think Obama is a Kenyan.  You seem to be confusing an anecdote about specific individuals with some general rule.  That is always a logical error.

Valmy's comment was "The Muslims I know have some kooky beliefs," to which ders responded, "That's a valid point. Muslims I also know have some kooky beliefs." This does not suggest "anecdotally, this group of Muslims I know have kooky beliefs", but rather "I notice a pattern of Muslims having kooky beliefs."

So, yea.

[garbon]

He was talking about specific people.  What is Valmy's "type" that is the equivalent of his bud's bros-in-law?

I guess dull, white people. Quirky in their own entirely unoriginal and boring way.