Does this look like a woman or a boy in drag?

[Caliga]

Spellus, that's because 500 years ago gay men didn't tell straight men what to admire in a woman.... instead they hid in monasteries. 

[BuddhaRhubarb]

There's lots of horsey women out there, also lots of pretty boys, she falls into the former category for me

[Valmy]

This is, I think, a lot more true than a simple racial bias.  For instance, the BMI that men like in women has changed dramatically over the last 500 years, from the fatter the better (Suleyman the Magnificent, who probably had more oppurtunity with more types of women and men than really anyone but Ghenghis Khan, was desperately in love with a 500 pound Armenian woman he named "kuchuk shekerlik", little bit of sugar) to skeletal thinness. 

Strange I never found greek statues of Aphrodite incredibly obese.  And I sorta question that men today really like skeletal thinness.  That is just what the fashion industry likes.

[DisturbedPervert]

Suleyman the Magnificent, who probably had more oppurtunity with more types of women and men than really anyone but Ghenghis Khan, was desperately in love with a 500 pound Armenian woman he named "kuchuk shekerlik", little bit of sugar

They have people like this today.  Some feeders even get off on getting their partner so fat they are immobile.

[Martinus]

Spellus, that's because 500 years ago gay men didn't tell straight men what to admire in a woman.... instead they hid in monasteries. 

That's probably true for the West, but I'm pretty sure not for the court of Suleyman the Magnificent. In fact, gay men were probably running his court.

[Queequeg]

Strange I never found greek statues of Aphrodite incredibly obese.  And I sorta question that men today really like skeletal thinness.  That is just what the fashion industry likes.

Obviously they shift.
This is from 25,000 years ago.
This is from 4th Century BC Greece.

One of my favorite examples of how beauty can change is this:


The upper image is obviously of Ancient Greek origin, but the latter is also of Hellenistic origin; it is Greco-Bactrian.   If you look closely, the techniques are also quite similar (Hellenistic Sculpture had a huge influence on Indian, and through Indian all Asian styles of sculpture; that's why Buddha has a Toga).  The difference is that the Bactrian ideal woman went from the Greek plump woman with small breasts to the seemingly more modern Bactrian ideal woman with fantastically huge breasts and a tiny waist. 

[Martinus]

Is it me or does the second one look like a slightly chubby guy?

Awww, those crazy Greeks.

[Queequeg]

Spellus, that's because 500 years ago gay men didn't tell straight men what to admire in a woman.... instead they hid in monasteries. 

That's probably true for the West, but I'm pretty sure not for the court of Suleyman the Magnificent. In fact, gay men were probably running his court.

"Gay" is misleading.  It was pedarety-intensive.  After the relative heterosexuality of the Byzantine Period, the Turks began a renaissance of adolescent fucking. The Turks may have been able to take the Greek's language and religion, but never their love of boys!

[Queequeg]

Is it me or does the second one look like a slightly chubby guy?

Awww, those crazy Greeks.

The hips are too big.  I can't think of a culture that found boyish hips in women attractive, actually.  That seems pretty constant unless we get into Lolita-type creepy stuff. 

[Queequeg]

I have to say, the first photo is actually pretty sad and a little stomach turning.  I'm surprised they went with the caption "Wow! Look at her now!"  as the dress seems to remove all doubt in my mind about her masculine appearance; her shoulders are at least as broad as mine, maybe broader, I don't see any hint of breasts, her face is..well...flat and really really broad...I basically can't look at that photo and see any kind of woman, at least in the traditional sense.  I wonder if this was really the best picture, and if they just stuck with that caption so that they don't offend "her"?

[Josquius]

Suleyman the Magnificent, who probably had more oppurtunity with more types of women and men than really anyone but Ghenghis Khan, was desperately in love with a 500 pound Armenian woman he named "kuchuk shekerlik", little bit of sugar

They have people like this today.  Some feeders even get off on getting their partner so fat they are immobile.

Indeed. My flat mate has a thing for very fat girls.
His last girl was very nice but...the beef. I guessed he just fell for her personality online or somesuch.
But then his next girl...She's even fatter and not so nice.
At least the first had the blessing of huge tits to go with the fatness, his new one is just fat.

[Valmy]

The problem with being really fat is it covers up her secondary sexual characteristics.  I mean when a woman gets too obese her boobs and her hips just sorta get swallowed up in the formless mass.  When she has a healthy weight they stand out to be oogled.

Naturally if she gets too thin then they vanish again since she is a skeleton.

I prefer my women to be, you know, not disgustingly unhealthy either way.

[Eddie Teach]

Spellus, that's because 500 years ago gay men didn't tell straight men what to admire in a woman.... instead they hid in monasteries. 

Michelangelo's women are quite a bit more masculine than Kate Moss or Nicole Ritchie.

[derspiess]

And I sorta question that men today really like skeletal thinness.  That is just what the fashion industry likes.

Ditto.

[HVC]

Spellus, that's because 500 years ago gay men didn't tell straight men what to admire in a woman.... instead they hid in monasteries. 

Michelangelo's women are quite a bit more masculine than Kate Moss or Nicole Ritchie.

are most of his models noble women getting portriats? If so it isn't his fault the rich italian families had ugly daughters lol