The Limits of Free Speech

[Sheilbh]

The line between free speech and unlawful incitement can be blurry, but this conduct seems pretty safely on the unlawful side of that line.

I agree.  Why is that though?  Is it just the threat or more the map?  Or is incitement like porn?

[DontSayBanana]

I agree.  Why is that though?  Is it just the threat or more the map?  Or is incitement like porn?

The map. The map shows consideration and pretty much discounts the possibility that it was an insult in the heat of the moment.

[The Minsky Moment]

The line between free speech and unlawful incitement can be blurry, but this conduct seems pretty safely on the unlawful side of that line.

I agree.  Why is that though?  Is it just the threat or more the map?  Or is incitement like porn?

The threat is concrete, detailed, targeted at particular individuals, and provides specific directions for the commission of illegal acts. 

[KRonn]

A while ago, I think the 70s or 80s, the KKK (a certain branch, I think in one state mainly) was hit hard, several of its leaders tried and found guilty, for incitements to violence in its literature where others acted on the message. I'm not sure of the details, but the court found that the KKK had responsibility since others acted on their words; something like that. Then it also turned out that the mother/family of a murdered young black man got the properties and cash settlements from the KKK in lawsuit.

[MadImmortalMan]

I blame repressed homosexual urges. He should just come out.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

The line between free speech and unlawful incitement can be blurry, but this conduct seems pretty safely on the unlawful side of that line.

I agree.  Why is that though?  Is it just the threat or more the map?  Or is incitement like porn?

The threat is concrete, detailed, targeted at particular individuals, and provides specific directions for the commission of illegal acts. 

yeah see that's what I was thinking... it's crossing a pretty easy to see line. Anyone with an IQ higher than 80 ought to be able to see that. So most of the blogosphere would take it seriously I guess.

[garbon]

There, I corrected it for you.  I don't think anywhere else is armed violence so mythologized as it is in the States.  And that absurd paranoia about the state and government...

G.

Stop reading Pravda, kthx?

[Viking]

Stop reading Pravda, kthx?

We can't, Cuba needs toilet paper.

[Sheilbh]

Stop reading Pravda, kthx?

I don't know, I think Grallon's right to some extent.  The US has glorified individual violence and, in a different way, revolt against the state over its history.  Those are part of its national myths.  I think it's like saying that someone observing that France has glorified revolution  and street violence should stop reading the National Review.  I think it's true.

[garbon]

I don't know, I think Grallon's right to some extent.  The US has glorified individual violence and, in a different way, revolt against the state over its history.  Those are part of its national myths.  I think it's like saying that someone observing that France has glorified revolution  and street violence should stop reading the National Review.  I think it's true.

True. I've weekly meetings with a pro-anarchy group based in Palo Alto. We're considering a move on the SF Armory.

[Viking]

I don't know, I think Grallon's right to some extent.  The US has glorified individual violence and, in a different way, revolt against the state over its history.  Those are part of its national myths.  I think it's like saying that someone observing that France has glorified revolution  and street violence should stop reading the National Review.  I think it's true.

True. I've weekly meetings with a pro-anarchy group based in Palo Alto. We're considering a move on the SF Armory.

Organized anachists?

[garbon]

Organized anachists?

Oh not really. Several of us want to start up Helter Skelter in Los Angeles, few want to beat up cops in Oakland and a few just want to go chill at Burning Man.

[Sheilbh]

True. I've weekly meetings with a pro-anarchy group based in Palo Alto. We're considering a move on the SF Armory.

A national myth and the glorification of specific aspects of history doesn't mean that you've organised groups running round trying to re-enact it.  I'm saying the Jacobins are part of the soul of France not that they're still meeting in an old Monastery.  Similarly I think the US's national myth has a glorification of the individual/individualism as a shaping force in history and in revolt against the state, not that you go to meet pro-anarchy groups.

[garbon]

A national myth and the glorification of specific aspects of history doesn't mean that you've organised groups running round trying to re-enact it.  I'm saying the Jacobins are part of the soul of France not that they're still meeting in an old Monastery.  Similarly I think the US's national myth has a glorification of the individual/individualism as a shaping force in history and in revolt against the state, not that you go to meet pro-anarchy groups.

What effect would you say that this myth has?

[dps]

I don't know, I think Grallon's right to some extent.  The US has glorified individual violence and, in a different way, revolt against the state over its history.  Those are part of its national myths.  I think it's like saying that someone observing that France has glorified revolution  and street violence should stop reading the National Review.  I think it's true.

True. I've weekly meetings with a pro-anarchy group based in Palo Alto. We're considering a move on the SF Armory.

Organized anachists?

Spanish Civil War veterens, maybe?