Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Zoupa]

I'd love to hear your definition of fascist Raz, whenever your have time in between your whataboutism postings.

[Razgovory]

That couldn't be more wrong.
Though it is an interesting idea to link it to musks silly thing about not moving left but the left has moved left.
Many people haven't shifted in their views on Israel alone, Israel shifted and put a rational balanced position suddenly on their strongly critical side.

They certainly wouldn't like Palestinian prisoners working on Israeli farms for years, like German prisoners did in Britain.

Soldiers and civilians are different things.

Though actually I'm more than fine with Palestinian employment in Israel. This will be a key part of any moves towards peace.

Musk?  What the fuck are you talking about?

[Razgovory]

I'd love to hear your definition of fascist Raz, whenever your have time in between your whataboutism postings.

Extreme Right wing authoritarians.  Nazis, Hamas, Hezbollah.  That guy that ran Quebec in the late 40's.  You know, fascists.

[Tamas]

I mean, when the inevitable collapse of mainstream support for Israel happens, it WILL be a green light for all the antisemites to start "speaking up"

[Zoupa]

I'd love to hear your definition of fascist Raz, whenever your have time in between your whataboutism postings.

Extreme Right wing authoritarians.  Nazis, Hamas, Hezbollah.  That guy that ran Quebec in the late 40's.  You know, fascists.

Are the evil white liberals fascists? Is Thomas Massie a fascist?

[HVC]

I mean, when the inevitable collapse of mainstream support for Israel happens, it WILL be a green light for all the antisemites to start "speaking up"

There will still be a sizeable and powerful evangelical support for Israel. They get over 3 billion in military aid because of the wacky end of day cultists.

[Tonitrus]

I think the best quip I've heard on that issue was that evangelical support of Israel was akin to how a rope supports the hanging man.

[Josquius]

I mean, when the inevitable collapse of mainstream support for Israel happens, it WILL be a green light for all the antisemites to start "speaking up"

They're already doing so I'd say, maybe just more they get unintentionally shared more?

In the anglo world at least mapping the far right onto mainly hating Jews isn't accurate in the 21st century however. Muslims remain far more their enemy number one. It shouldn't be underestimated how even away from evangelicals there's a lot of far right support for the bastion of the west against the Islamic hordes and all that crap.

[celedhring]

I mean, when the inevitable collapse of mainstream support for Israel happens, it WILL be a green light for all the antisemites to start "speaking up"

They're already doing so I'd say, maybe just more they get unintentionally shared more?

In the anglo world at least mapping the far right onto mainly hating Jews isn't accurate in the 21st century however. Muslims remain far more their enemy number one. It shouldn't be underestimated how even away from evangelicals there's a lot of far right support for the bastion of the west against the Islamic hordes and all that crap.

I think there's a fascination among the Western far right for the way Israel is enacting their ethnostate fantasies.

I also think that muslim racism is more "socially acceptable" than antisemitism and that's why they display more of it, outwardly. The most fringe far right groups in Spain remain rabidly antisemitic, it's the more mainstream ones who keep a lid on that.

[Tamas]

Yeah they tone down the jew hate because that's frowned upon while hating on migrants and Muslims is fair game. Once they smell hunting season back open on Jewish people they'll add them back to the list.

[Josquius]

With the really dedicated nazis sure.
But with the rank and file of the far right I expect that would take quite some building in much of the country where Jewish people are invisible if they exist at all.
I grew up not far from one of the major Haredi communities in Europe, and growing up I heard basically nothing about Jewish people outside of American media and WW2 history.

If we imagined anti-semitism was seen as just as acceptable as Islamophobia then I do still think they'd pick the Muslims as their preferred target over Jews.

Ironically no doubt the "OMG anti semitic left" stuff helps a lot too -  That's the enemy's belief so we automatically support the opposite.

Along with the Holocaust being such a key part of learning about the war.
Its not what Nazis were all about which annoys your typical British far right BNP sort about that label, its that it implies being German. They're really ironically obsessed with the war.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Being opposed to islam is necessary though since it's an authoritarian system opposed to western liberal culture. Like nazism and communism. Just as there isn't naziphobia or communiphobia there is no such thing as Islamophobia.
It's a word invented to shut down criticism of that ideology. And it's working given how many people fall for that nonsense.

[Razgovory]

I mean, when the inevitable collapse of mainstream support for Israel happens, it WILL be a green light for all the antisemites to start "speaking up"

They're already doing so I'd say, maybe just more they get unintentionally shared more?

In the anglo world at least mapping the far right onto mainly hating Jews isn't accurate in the 21st century however. Muslims remain far more their enemy number one. It shouldn't be underestimated how even away from evangelicals there's a lot of far right support for the bastion of the west against the Islamic hordes and all that crap.

Except it isn't.  Hate crimes against Jews still dwarf hate crimes against Muslims at least in the US if not in the land of little St. Hugh.

[Razgovory]

I'd love to hear your definition of fascist Raz, whenever your have time in between your whataboutism postings.

Extreme Right wing authoritarians.  Nazis, Hamas, Hezbollah.  That guy that ran Quebec in the late 40's.  You know, fascists.

Are the evil white liberals fascists? Is Thomas Massie a fascist?

No, just they are mostly just self-centered.  Second guy, probably.

[Razgovory]

I mean, when the inevitable collapse of mainstream support for Israel happens, it WILL be a green light for all the antisemites to start "speaking up"

There will still be a sizeable and powerful evangelical support for Israel. They get over 3 billion in military aid because of the wacky end of day cultists.

Why does the wacky end of day cultists against Israel not get mentioned?  They've been much more influential.