Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Razgovory]

You did say Nazis support Israel.  You back tracked and meant not real Nazis, just people you disagree with.

I can't even remember this discussion. It's simply bizare and pathetic you decide to dredge it up out of nowhere for no reason.

The modern far right, coloquially known as nazis, broadly supports Israel. This is true.
Bizare thing to try and fling insults about.
Very interesting to see your conversion continue as you pickup the typical fascist mating call of out nowhere declaring "you just call people you disagree with a nazi!"

If your definition of Nazi includes people who support Israel, then you definition is fundamentally flawed.  It is unfortunately quite wide spread in the Pro-Pal circles.  The people who want to eradicate the Jews (and are often fans of Hitler) are the heroic anti-fascists while the Jews themselves are Nazis.  It's a whole topsy-turvy movement there.

[grumbler]

If your definition of Nazi includes people who support Israel, then you definition is fundamentally flawed.  It is unfortunately quite wide spread in the Pro-Pal circles.  The people who want to eradicate the Jews (and are often fans of Hitler) are the heroic anti-fascists while the Jews themselves are Nazis.  It's a whole topsy-turvy movement there.

As an aside, Raz, there is a difference between "xerox" and "Xerox," "kleenex' and "Kleenex" and "nazi" and "Nazi."  Proper nouns are not the same as common nouns.  Maybe you were absent from school the day they taught that?

[Razgovory]

Seriously?  Words have meanings.  You can bend them a little, but "nazis support Israel" is a way too far.  I brought it back up because Josq said something about the stupidest thing possible, and that was the stupidest thing I could think of at the moment.  Josq has been redefining words in this thread to suit his needs in this thread, don't join with him on that.

[HVC]

Just add neo and everyone is happy.

[grumbler]

Seriously?  Words have meanings.  You can bend them a little, but "nazis support Israel" is a way too far.  I brought it back up because Josq said something about the stupidest thing possible, and that was the stupidest thing I could think of at the moment.  Josq has been redefining words in this thread to suit his needs in this thread, don't join with him on that.

Yes, word have meanings, and proper nouns have different meanings than common nouns.  I hate the commonization of "nazi" but am smart enough to recognize that it is a fait accompli.  You may continue to shout at clouds at your leisure.

[Josquius]

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You did say Nazis support Israel.  You back tracked and meant not real Nazis, just people you disagree with.

I can't even remember this discussion. It's simply bizare and pathetic you decide to dredge it up out of nowhere for no reason.

The modern far right, coloquially known as nazis, broadly supports Israel. This is true.
Bizare thing to try and fling insults about.
Very interesting to see your conversion continue as you pickup the typical fascist mating call of out nowhere declaring "you just call people you disagree with a nazi!"

If your definition of Nazi includes people who support Israel, then you definition is fundamentally flawed.  It is unfortunately quite wide spread in the Pro-Pal circles.  The people who want to eradicate the Jews (and are often fans of Hitler) are the heroic anti-fascists while the Jews themselves are Nazis.  It's a whole topsy-turvy movement there.

I see. If one supports Israel then no matter their other beliefs they can't possibly be a nazi. Your logic is sound as always.

[garbon]

 

[Admiral Yi]

I see. If one supports Israel then no matter their other beliefs they can't possibly be a nazi. Your logic is sound as always.

Listen to grumbler.  They can be a nazi.  It's really really hard to be a Nazi.  Nazis only believed in two things and one of them was killing Jews.

[Josquius]

I see. If one supports Israel then no matter their other beliefs they can't possibly be a nazi. Your logic is sound as always.

Listen to grumbler.  They can be a nazi.  It's really really hard to be a Nazi.  Nazis only believed in two things and one of them was killing Jews.

Obviously. In 2024 you don't particularly get proper old school Nazi Nazis.
But Raz has clearly been thinking about this way more than it warrants and built up an alternative story. The current situation in Gaza has really led to some mind worms.

[Norgy]

Maybe we should consider not throwing the word nazi about quite so frequently?

[The Brain]

The idea that there exist Nazis who don't want to kill Jews was most famously presented in Schindler's List. But that movie is in many ways a retelling of the parable of the Good Samaritan, and shouldn't be the basis of generalizations. I wouldn't be surprised if claiming in a more general way that significant numbers of Nazis don't want to kill Jews would be borderline illegal in some countries, considering that it would mean casting at least some measure of doubt on the Holocaust.

[Josquius]

Don't be silly.
Amazing people are disagreeing on this statement of the bloody obvious.
The far right these days broadly have a Raz style blind support for Israel - Islam being their enemy number one and Israel seen as a outpost of western civilization in the middle east.

https://orientxxi.info/magazine/anti-semitism-the-far-right-whitewashed-by-its-support-for-israel,6977

https://www.dw.com/en/where-do-europes-far-right-parties-stand-on-the-israel-hamas-conflict/a-67465217

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/12/tommy-robinson-israel-hamas-war-could-mark-return-of-far-right-figure

[crazy canuck]

Jos, it might be better then to use the term far right rather than nazi.  You will probably find more agreement with your central thesis.

[Josquius]

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Jos, it might be better then to use the term far right rather than nazi.  You will probably find more agreement with your central thesis.

I am.
This entire stupid conversation out of nowhere is Raz getting upset that according to him in one post some months ago I used the colloquialism nazi - and any clarification that I mean the far right and not true 1940s Germany Nazis is not acceptable.

[Duque de Bragança]

Maybe we should consider not throwing the word nazi about quite so frequently?

Sure, and the word fascist while we are it.