Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Valmy]

There's always something special about non-Jews calling Jews antisemitic.

As Krusty the Clown said:

"My whole life I thought I was a self-loathing Jew. But it turns out I am just another antisemite."

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciV2nU04oo

Duke students walk out on commencement speaker Jerry Seinfeld.

[Valmy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciV2nU04oo

Duke students walk out on commencement speaker Jerry Seinfeld.

Well that could have gone worse all things considered.

[HVC]

Did he make a "what's the deal with" joke about it?

[Tamas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciV2nU04oo

Duke students walk out on commencement speaker Jerry Seinfeld.

Well that could have gone worse all things considered.

Are we drawing the success line at "the Jew didn't get lynched" now?

[garbon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciV2nU04oo

Duke students walk out on commencement speaker Jerry Seinfeld.

Well that could have gone worse all things considered.

Are we drawing the success line at "the Jew didn't get lynched" now?

That feels wild reaction to what Politico said was about 30 students walking out.

[Tamas]

Wild but not entirely serious.

[Josquius]

Has Seinfeld said something about the Israel situation or is it just "OMFG a Jew! That means Israel!" at play here?

[Admiral Yi]

Has Seinfeld said something about the Israel situation or is it just "OMFG a Jew! That means Israel!" at play here?

I'm not sure either way, but he has said things about identity politics so it's conceivable.

[Admiral Yi]

He visited Israel 4 months ago.

An interview about the trip.

[grumbler]

The Hamas charter talks about Jews living peacefully in an Islamic Palestine, so the genocide talk is overblown.  The plight of Jews in an Islamic Palestine would not be pleasant given that Hamas thinks that the arrivals since 1948 should be expelled and their land returned to Palestinians, but that's a far cry from genocide.

Just ethnic cleansing.

Exactly.

[grumbler]

The Hamas charter talks about Jews living peacefully in an Islamic Palestine, so the genocide talk is overblown.  The plight of Jews in an Islamic Palestine would not be pleasant given that Hamas thinks that the arrivals since 1948 should be expelled and their land returned to Palestinians, but that's a far cry from genocide.

Sarcasm?

Knowledge.

[The Minsky Moment]

The Hamas charter talks about Jews living peacefully in an Islamic Palestine, so the genocide talk is overblown.

The Soviet constitution talked about guarantees of full civil liberties and rights, so talk about Stalinist oppression is overblown.

[DGuller]

To be fair, the Soviet constitution guaranteed you freedom of speech, but it didn't guarantee you freedom from consequences of speech.

[The Minsky Moment]

From the original Hamas Covenant

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious.

the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Much of the antisemitic language of the Covenant was not included in a much later Declaration of Principles; however, to my knowledge the original Covenant has never been revoked or repudiated.  That requires judgment as to whether the later declaration represents a sincere change in belief, or was merely political rhetoric intended to secure more mainstream Arab financial support.  I never believed there was much doubt on that point, but if any doubt existed, October 7 firmly resolved it.