Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Savonarola]

Before 1941, the German government encouraged Jewish emigration (after a heavy emigration tax and severe limits to the amount of money that could be taken from the country.)

That doesn't sound like a set of policies one would enact to encourage emigration 

Fair, they had other policies that encouraged emmigration.  Knowing Languish I knew someone was going to bring up the emigration tax if I didn't.

[Josquius]

This is just sort of an aside.  My 10 year old was kind of interested in conspiracy theories.  He asked me once "what do you think the biggest conspiracy theory in the world is".

I think he expected me to say flat earth, or moon landings were fake, or something "fun".

Instead I had to answer "that Jews secretly control the world".

Now to our kids credit (or how he's been raised) I don't think he's ever heard of such a thing.  But sadly though I don't think he's ever met a jewish person, which is maybe just an Edmonton thing.  Jewish population in Winnipeg growing up was pretty significant.

My first introduction to Jews as a thing that actually exists in the modern west and anti - semitism was South Park.
That I'm aware of I can't remember ever meeting a Jewish person before then. They just existed as some vague thing in the history books from Ww2.
I really don't think my experience in this is too unusual.
And I grew up not too far from one of the biggest heredi communities around.

[Admiral Yi]

There's also "Yes and" and "Did you also consider this angle".

I'm not accusing you of anything here. Just speaking about attitudes to historic misdeeds in the world.

"Just speaking" does not have any discernable meaning.  If I call you a moron and say I'm "just speaking" about your intelligence it doesn't alter the rest of my content in any way.

If you "just speak" something in juxtaposition to a comment I make, it can be agreement, disagreement, qualification/partial agreement (as you mentioned), one of the bad faith arguments I mentioned, or a non sequitur.  So please tell me what you think the relevance of your comments was to the comments I had made, which you then quoted.  What is the logical connection between the two.

[Valmy]

My first introduction to Jews as a thing that actually exists in the modern west and anti - semitism was South Park.
That I'm aware of I can't remember ever meeting a Jewish person before then. They just existed as some vague thing in the history books from Ww2.
I really don't think my experience in this is too unusual.
And I grew up not too far from one of the biggest heredi communities around.

I honestly had no idea hating Jews was still a thing until the Internet. And then I realized it was fucking everywhere. But that was kind of sexism and racism in general.

Me in the 1990s: Is racism and sexism really that big a deal anymore?

Me in the 2000s: Holy shit everybody is such a racist and sexist. What are we doing?

[Solmyr]

So I guess this elderly Jewish Professor of Jewish Studies is a hardline antisemitist Hamas supporter or something, at least according to Otto. Totally deserved to be bumrushed by police. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/us/dartmouth-professor-police-protests.html

Also it's funny how Otto would "disassociate himself" from any antisemitic elements in his group when lots of Trump supporters are antisemitic white supremacists (and very fine people according to Trump).

[Tamas]

My first introduction to Jews as a thing that actually exists in the modern west and anti - semitism was South Park.
That I'm aware of I can't remember ever meeting a Jewish person before then. They just existed as some vague thing in the history books from Ww2.
I really don't think my experience in this is too unusual.
And I grew up not too far from one of the biggest heredi communities around.

I honestly had no idea hating Jews was still a thing until the Internet. And then I realized it was fucking everywhere. But that was kind of sexism and racism in general.

Me in the 1990s: Is racism and sexism really that big a deal anymore?

Me in the 2000s: Holy shit everybody is such a racist and sexist. What are we doing?

You clearly weren't living in Hungary.

[DGuller]

So I guess this elderly Jewish Professor of Jewish Studies is a hardline antisemitist Hamas supporter or something, at least according to Otto. Totally deserved to be bumrushed by police. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/us/dartmouth-professor-police-protests.html

Jews mastered enlightened self-hatred long before woke left was even a thing.

[Razgovory]

So I guess this elderly Jewish Professor of Jewish Studies is a hardline antisemitist Hamas supporter or something, at least according to Otto. Totally deserved to be bumrushed by police. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/us/dartmouth-professor-police-protests.html

Jews mastered enlightened self-hatred long before woke left was even a thing.

You think Hamas would spare this guy?

[grumbler]

The Hamas charter talks about Jews living peacefully in an Islamic Palestine, so the genocide talk is overblown.  The plight of Jews in an Islamic Palestine would not be pleasant given that Hamas thinks that the arrivals since 1948 should be expelled and their land returned to Palestinians, but that's a far cry from genocide.

[Valmy]

The Hamas charter talks about Jews living peacefully in an Islamic Palestine, so the genocide talk is overblown.  The plight of Jews in an Islamic Palestine would not be pleasant given that Hamas thinks that the arrivals since 1948 should be expelled and their land returned to Palestinians, but that's a far cry from genocide.

Just ethnic cleansing.

[Barrister]

The Hamas charter talks about Jews living peacefully in an Islamic Palestine, so the genocide talk is overblown.  The plight of Jews in an Islamic Palestine would not be pleasant given that Hamas thinks that the arrivals since 1948 should be expelled and their land returned to Palestinians, but that's a far cry from genocide.

Sarcasm?

[Jacob]

There's always something special about non-Jews calling Jews antisemitic.

[Razgovory]

There's always something special about non-Jews calling Jews antisemitic.

Since DGuller is a Jew I don't know why you bring it up.

[OttoVonBismarck]

So I guess this elderly Jewish Professor of Jewish Studies is a hardline antisemitist Hamas supporter or something, at least according to Otto. Totally deserved to be bumrushed by police. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/us/dartmouth-professor-police-protests.html

Also it's funny how Otto would "disassociate himself" from any antisemitic elements in his group when lots of Trump supporters are antisemitic white supremacists (and very fine people according to Trump).

This feels like a really dumb post. I don't see anything in her conduct or words that would be construed as antisemitic (e.g. calling for an intifada, denying the Holocaust, holding all Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel etc.) If she was doing those things, then yes--I would say she was antisemitic, which is not impossible just because she is personally a Jew. Just like Uncle Ruckus can be a white supremacist despite being a black man. I have never asserted mere presence at any protest is antisemite, nor do I know or have seen reported that antisemitic chants or behaviors were on display at the Darthmouth protest. Further, even if they were, that wouldn't be enough for me to say other protesters were antisemites by association. They would have to:

1. Actually know or be aware of the antisemitism, which in a short protest that was shut down on its first day, would be quite possible for many to not know (if any occurred)
2. Choose to continue associating with the protest after they knew antisemites had hijacked parts of it.

[viper37]

The Hamas charter talks about Jews living peacefully in an Islamic Palestine, so the genocide talk is overblown.  The plight of Jews in an Islamic Palestine would not be pleasant given that Hamas thinks that the arrivals since 1948 should be expelled and their land returned to Palestinians, but that's a far cry from genocide.

Just ethnic cleansing.

Same as what the Bibi government is intent on doing.  Which is totally fine according to OvB, since he wants to vote for Trump because Biden isn't 100% behind Bibi's policies.