The EU thread

[Tonitrus]

Straight up numbers of aircraft is also a bit misleading. 

1. In a Russian/NATO fight...there is a lot more/longer stretches of border to cover with those air assets.
2. They cannot operate all at once...they'll be working in shifts/maintenance downtime, etc (that is where SAMs pick up a lot of slack).
3. Limits in ordinance...just like artillery shells, air-to-air/air-to-ground/HARM missiles will get used up real fast.  Likely much faster than initial replacement.

[Tonitrus]

Also, I would say that in any theoretical Russian/NATO conflict, you need to add in Belarus to the Russian side (even if that is not much, I know).

[Razgovory]

I'd think that if Russia attacks NATO, whoever responds would be okay with targeting assets inside Russia proper.

I guess the question is how well the EU + UK would be able to take out those SAM and IADS assets.

Well, I lose my apartment in 6 weeks and I don't yet have another place to to go, so WW3 isn't the worst possible scenario.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I'd think that if Russia attacks NATO, whoever responds would be okay with targeting assets inside Russia proper.

I guess the question is how well the EU + UK would be able to take out those SAM and IADS assets.

Russian anti-air assets have gotten a wollop the last 3 years though, given that they're prime targets for UAF drone strikes

[Josquius]

Ukraine are becoming steadily braver with how they operate their planes, sometimes flying over Russia even.

[Valmy]

I'd think that if Russia attacks NATO, whoever responds would be okay with targeting assets inside Russia proper.

I guess the question is how well the EU + UK would be able to take out those SAM and IADS assets.

Well, I lose my apartment in 6 weeks and I don't yet have another place to to go, so WW3 isn't the worst possible scenario.

Jesus Christ. Stop it. The Russian paper tiger isn't going to nuke anybody. All that is going to happen is the Russians will grind to a halt somewhere due to exhaustion and everybody will stare at each other across some armistice line for awhile.

[Zoupa]

russian SAMs do not cover all of Ukraine, as evidenced by the fact the Ukrainians fly over their own country every single day, including high altitude missions, close air support missions, etc.

As for the possibility of a russian collapse, Prigozhin came within 100 km of the Kremlin and was shooting down planes and helicopters on the way, vatnik-on-vatnik violence. It was glorious, and will happen again.

Stop recreating the fucking meme, raz

[Zoupa]

[Zoupa]