The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

[The Minsky Moment]

Timing would seem to point to Coat's deputy as a possible identity of the whistleblower.

[Razgovory]

Especially given that it's not a transcript and there is no verbatim transcript. So was this released because they thought it was helpful?

Trump honestly doesn't know why people are upset over this.  Thieves think everyone steals.

[Sheilbh]

I think he is still deeply frustrated that his job isn't basically a nationwide version of Mayor of New York circa 1979

[Camerus]

The sycophantic flattery that the Ukrainian president heaps on Trump is disturbing on many levels.

I think that's World Leader 101 these days. They've all watched Kim Jong-Un.

I mean look at Scott Morrison or Modi's comments.

That's an issue of almost equal seriousness to what Trump is being accused of doing here. In this conversation we have further proof that Trump is prone to making decisions on the use of American power not based on raison d'etat, America First, moral reasoning etc - but rather based on whichever leader is willing to debase himself and massage the man's ego.

[Razgovory]

Expand on this, please?

Rudy met in Spain with one of Zelensky's foreign policy guys.  *If* a quid pro quo was discussed it seems likely to have been done at this time.  I can't be arsed to go back and read the Economist article and give you the exact timeline, but the timing of the meeting strongly suggests it was related to the decision to "strategically review" (i.e. put on hold) the military aid.

Funny how Trump sent his lawyer to engage in possible illegal conduct.  Again.

[The Minsky Moment]

I think he is still deeply frustrated that his job isn't basically a nationwide version of Mayor of New York circa 1979

Koch would never pull this kind of bullshit.

[Admiral Yi]

Funny how Trump sent his lawyer to engage in possible illegal conduct.  Again.

I'm thinking so they can claim lawyer-client.

[DGuller]

Funny how Trump sent his lawyer to engage in possible illegal conduct.  Again.

I'm thinking so they can claim lawyer-client.

My understanding is that it doesn't apply in cases where the lawyer is the client's accomplice, though I guess there could be a difference between theory and practice.

[Admiral Yi]

My understanding is that it doesn't apply in cases where the lawyer is the client's accomplice, though I guess there could be a difference between theory and practice.

OK, but you'd either need Rudy's testimony (or testimony from a Ukrainian party) to prove the conspiracy first, no?

[Sheilbh]

Would privilege cover that? In the UK communications with third parties aren't privileged unless they're for litigation.

[Admiral Yi]

Would privilege cover that? In the UK communications with third parties aren't privileged unless they're for litigation.

dunno

[jimmy olsen]

Quick question - even if Trump is impeached, there's nothing preventing him from still running in 2020 right?

I believe the senate can ban him from holding federal office again if they actually convicted (they won't)

[Oexmelin]

Anyone think there is a connection between the resignation of Former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and this call/the whistleblower report?  The call was three days before he decided out of nowhere to resign.

Maybe he received the whistleblower report and thought "Fuck it, I don't want to be in the middle of this shitstorm. Time to go".

Profiles in Courage: vol 72.

Speaking of:

« One Republican senator told me if it was a secret vote, 30 Republican senators would vote to impeach Trump."

– Mike Murphy, fmr. senior adviser to Mitt Romney and John McCain, MSNBC

[Razgovory]

In the future when a Democrat has the Presidency and is pushing foreign nations to prosecute Republicans who will they have to blame?

[Eddie Teach]

In the future when a Democrat has the Presidency and is pushing foreign nations to prosecute Republicans who will they have to blame?

They'll be retired.