The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

[FunkMonk]

It seems the time is near. The Ukraine scandal seems to be the tipping point. It looks like it is finally go-time.

How will this go? How will it end? What are the implications for elections next year? If it goes to the Senate, how many Senate Republicans will vote to convict?

[Tonitrus]

It seems the time is near. The Ukraine scandal seems to be the tipping point. It looks like it is finally go-time.

How will this go? How will it end? What are the implications for elections next year? If it goes to the Senate, how many Senate Republicans will vote to convict?

That's easy, zero.

It'll be Clinton Impeachment II: Trump Boogaloo.

[Valmy]

I have no idea what impact it will have. Are there people undecided about Trump out there? Is it possible at this point for anybody to change their mind?

[Valmy]

It'll be Clinton Impeachment II: Trump Boogaloo.

Clinton never had to run for office after his impeachment though so that will be different.

[Tonitrus]

It'll be Clinton Impeachment II: Trump Boogaloo.

Clinton never had to run for office after his impeachment though so that will be different.

Fair.  I would even put in a slim chance that the GOP might, during the course of an impeachment process, might decide to jettison Trump, and let Pence glide into office to Gerald Ford the whole thing.  Though while hoping he could manhandle any Democratic candidate.

I don't think the GOP has any particular loyalty to Trump...they just have a loyalty to having their political agenda run its course, and Trump isn't really needed for that.

[Legbiter]

[Oexmelin]

If the Democrats want to pull this thing off (and they should), they better go at it with an ironclad plan, a real clear messaging, and roles clearly assigned.

[Valmy]

There does feel like that this advances a narrative that everybody is just out to get poor Donald. So it may be self-destructive.

If they do it I guess we will find out.

But, on the other hand, the Democrats were not give control of the House to just ignore what the President is doing.

[Berkut]

I heard there was a motion to open up impeachment proceedings around the Ukraine stuff.

I was wondering if it makes sense to limit it to just that though....

[The Minsky Moment]

The Clinton impeachment almost seems quaint in light of recent developments.  The origin was a $200,000 Arkansas land deal that occurred a decade before Clinton was President, on which he lost money.  Compared with the open corruption and self-dealing that has occurred in the White House by a serving President, the Whitewater inquiry looks retrospectively like a lot of pettifoggery.  The impeachment itself was entirely unrelated and based on alleged false statement Clinton made in a deposition in a civil case arising out of his conduct while Governor of Arkansas.

Trump on the other hand is being accused of abusing his Presidential powers as President.

[Razgovory]

I honestly don't see any other remedy.  I have been against impeachment, and this will probably play into Trump's hands, but democracy should go down fighting.  Someone needs to make a stand and say that soliciting foreign interference in our elections is wrong.  Encouraging other nations to press charges against your political opponents is wrong.  I wouldn't think that such a stand would have been necessary, but here we are on the brink of crisis.

[Barrister]

It'll be Clinton Impeachment II: Trump Boogaloo.

Clinton never had to run for office after his impeachment though so that will be different.

Fair.  I would even put in a slim chance that the GOP might, during the course of an impeachment process, might decide to jettison Trump, and let Pence glide into office to Gerald Ford the whole thing.  Though while hoping he could manhandle any Democratic candidate.

I don't think the GOP has any particular loyalty to Trump...they just have a loyalty to having their political agenda run its course, and Trump isn't really needed for that.

Trouble is, you know Trump isn't just going to go quietly into the night.  No long silence ala Nixon.  Even if impeached he'll keep tweeting, and lots of it would be directed towards senate republicans who voted against him.

That being said, GOP Senators have to quietly be quite tired of this guy.  If impeachment isn't just some theoretical possibility, but an actual vote, they might decide just to pull the plug on old Donald, in particular if they aren't up for re-election in 2020.

[FunkMonk]

Whoever this whistleblower is is gonna get crucified by right-wing media when they publicly testify.

[frunk]

Whoever this whistleblower is is gonna get crucified by right-wing media when they publicly testify.

Every single person who says an unkind thing about Trump gets that treatment.  It won't be that new.

[Razgovory]

Whoever this whistleblower is is gonna get crucified by right-wing media when they publicly testify.

They are already crucifying him/her.  I haven't looked up who it is, but the Russians know and they've reported it.