About those peaceful antifa protests...

[PDH]

Ok, so how about we not worry about the biology in our nomenclature and instead focus on gender - we could say "identifies as X" with X being the gender, which we have already said is based both on culture and biology.

[Admiral Yi]

That's reasonable, but you do need a noun form.  An identifier as X? A female identifier?  A male identifier?

[PDH]

Well, since we have said that this system needs to work with cultures that might have more than two genders, "male" and "female" work, but there needs to be additional words accepted too if the society has more than that.

My whole point, of course, is that biological sex and social gender can be the same, or different.  As Western Culture is undergoing some radical shifts these direct "two sexes, two genders - always fixed" is changing.  Where will it play out?   Who knows, but I think we do need to understand that the situation is fluid and has been so for a few decades.

[Josquius]

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Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

Thats the Texas policy from your second article.
It is leading to this guy born a woman pumped full of hormones and entirely seeming a normal guy wiping the floor with all competition.

[Josquius]

Well, since we have said that this system needs to work with cultures that might have more than two genders, "male" and "female" work, but there needs to be additional words accepted too if the society has more than that.

My whole point, of course, is that biological sex and social gender can be the same, or different.  As Western Culture is undergoing some radical shifts these direct "two sexes, two genders - always fixed" is changing.  Where will it play out?   Who knows, but I think we do need to understand that the situation is fluid and has been so for a few decades.

To be fair we logically also need 2 words for gay but keep muddling through with one.
Men who have sex with men is a bit of a mouthful. (oo err)

[Solmyr]

Why not?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

Utter BS


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-second-texas-state-girls-championship/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39d389f7fbe9


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

A bit misrepresented in the reporting of the second one I've seen.  Odd you'd include it with the others since it's a case for the other pov.
The issue is its a FTM transgender person who due to conservative rules is forced to compete with women.
This being high school level there's no protections against doping.
Transgender men competing with men on this amateur level  is a bit less of a problem and should be allowed. It's the other way around and at top levels where things are iffy.
Seems wrong to utterly deny them access to sport though they do have a natural advantage.

Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

The true gender of a trans woman is woman.

Hogwash.

Fuck transphobes.

[Sophie Scholl]

Fuck transphobes.

[chipwich]

Why not?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

Utter BS


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-second-texas-state-girls-championship/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39d389f7fbe9


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

A bit misrepresented in the reporting of the second one I've seen.  Odd you'd include it with the others since it's a case for the other pov.
The issue is its a FTM transgender person who due to conservative rules is forced to compete with women.
This being high school level there's no protections against doping.
Transgender men competing with men on this amateur level  is a bit less of a problem and should be allowed. It's the other way around and at top levels where things are iffy.
Seems wrong to utterly deny them access to sport though they do have a natural advantage.

Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

The true gender of a trans woman is woman.

Hogwash.

Fuck transphobes.

Fuck You. Lets see how far this pyramid can get.

[Syt]

Why not?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

Utter BS


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-second-texas-state-girls-championship/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39d389f7fbe9


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

A bit misrepresented in the reporting of the second one I've seen.  Odd you'd include it with the others since it's a case for the other pov.
The issue is its a FTM transgender person who due to conservative rules is forced to compete with women.
This being high school level there's no protections against doping.
Transgender men competing with men on this amateur level  is a bit less of a problem and should be allowed. It's the other way around and at top levels where things are iffy.
Seems wrong to utterly deny them access to sport though they do have a natural advantage.

Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

The true gender of a trans woman is woman.

Hogwash.

So you're saying our BuddhaRhubarb here isn't a woman?

[Eddie Teach]

[
Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

Thats the Texas policy from your second article.
It is leading to this guy born a woman pumped full of hormones and entirely seeming a normal guy wiping the floor with all competition.

Perhaps both trans women and transmen have advantages that should force them into the (unrestricted) men's leagues.

The whole point of women's sports is to let (cis-) women play competitive sports without biological disadvantages.

I don't see why acceptance of trans people means we have to pretend they're exactly the same as their chosen gender. It makes more sense to expand the number of genders.

[The Brain]

[
Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

Thats the Texas policy from your second article.
It is leading to this guy born a woman pumped full of hormones and entirely seeming a normal guy wiping the floor with all competition.

Perhaps both trans women and transmen have advantages that should force them into the (unrestricted) men's leagues.

The whole point of women's sports is to let (cis-) women play competitive sports without biological disadvantages.

I don't see why acceptance of trans people means we have to pretend they're exactly the same as their chosen gender. It makes more sense to expand the number of genders.

There are many points of women's sports. In some cases it's because ultra-sensitive ME men don't want to get their asses kicked by women.

[Solmyr]

Perhaps both trans women and transmen have advantages that should force them into the (unrestricted) men's leagues.

The whole point of women's sports is to let (cis-) women play competitive sports without biological disadvantages.

Is it a given that all trans women have physical advantages over all cis women? What about cis women who are very buff and muscular, should they also be banned?

Sports can have weight classes (where it's relevant), but dividing them by gender is simplistic and does not really solve any problems.

[Camerus]

By allowing transwomen, competitive women's sports becomes far more difficult for "cis-women" to succeed in (thus undermining the main point of women's leagues), however much one may wish it otherwise for moral or ideological reasons.

Is that a price worth paying to allow transwomen to compete? I think it's reasonable to say no, including from a feminist perspective.

[Berkut]

Perhaps both trans women and transmen have advantages that should force them into the (unrestricted) men's leagues.

The whole point of women's sports is to let (cis-) women play competitive sports without biological disadvantages.

Is it a given that all trans women have physical advantages over all cis women? What about cis women who are very buff and muscular, should they also be banned?

Sports can have weight classes (where it's relevant), but dividing them by gender is simplistic and does not really solve any problems.

The biological advantage that "traditional" men have over women physically are not only limited to weight.

[11B4V]

Why not?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

Utter BS


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-second-texas-state-girls-championship/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39d389f7fbe9


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

A bit misrepresented in the reporting of the second one I've seen.  Odd you'd include it with the others since it's a case for the other pov.
The issue is its a FTM transgender person who due to conservative rules is forced to compete with women.
This being high school level there's no protections against doping.
Transgender men competing with men on this amateur level  is a bit less of a problem and should be allowed. It's the other way around and at top levels where things are iffy.
Seems wrong to utterly deny them access to sport though they do have a natural advantage.

Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

The true gender of a trans woman is woman.

Hogwash.

Fuck transphobes.

Your an idiot