About those peaceful antifa protests...

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11B4V

#615
December 27, 2018, 08:17:17 PM Last Edit: December 27, 2018, 08:20:05 PM by 11B4V
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

The Brain

#616
December 28, 2018, 02:59:36 AM
So?
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

11B4V

#617
December 28, 2018, 03:14:57 AM
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

dps

#619
December 28, 2018, 05:47:23 AM
Hmm.  I suppose if we want to be totally committed to gender equality, we should abolish women's sports and just have women compete against men, rendering the question moot.  Probably not a good idea, though.

Josquius

#620
December 28, 2018, 06:26:05 AM Last Edit: December 28, 2018, 06:29:02 AM by Tyr
Quote from: 11B4V on December 27, 2018, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 27, 2018, 02:41:14 PM
Why not?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

Utter BS


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-second-texas-state-girls-championship/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39d389f7fbe9


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

A bit misrepresented in the reporting of the second one I've seen.  Odd you'd include it with the others since it's a case for the other pov.
The issue is its a FTM transgender person who due to conservative rules is forced to compete with women.
This being high school level there's no protections against doping.
Transgender men competing with men on this amateur level  is a bit less of a problem and should be allowed. It's the other way around and at top levels where things are iffy.
Seems wrong to utterly deny them access to sport though they do have a natural advantage.
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Valmy

#621
December 29, 2018, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on December 27, 2018, 06:04:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 27, 2018, 02:41:14 PM
Why not?

What about you? What do you think and why?

Women's sports exist so women will not be at a physical disadvantage. Athletes are just so insanely competitive and the rewards for winning an Olympic Medal in some countries is so profound that allowing this would open up all kinds of abuse that would render women's sports a joke.

Or at least that is what I thought before. Now I just have no opinion as it is none of my business. If women's sports want this door opened they can go right ahead. Maybe nothing bad will happen at all.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Tonitrus

#622
December 29, 2018, 02:58:11 PM
The East Germans were doing this before it was cool.

11B4V

#623
December 29, 2018, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 28, 2018, 06:26:05 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 27, 2018, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 27, 2018, 02:41:14 PM
Why not?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

Utter BS


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-second-texas-state-girls-championship/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39d389f7fbe9


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

A bit misrepresented in the reporting of the second one I've seen.  Odd you'd include it with the others since it's a case for the other pov.
The issue is its a FTM transgender person who due to conservative rules is forced to compete with women.
This being high school level there's no protections against doping.
Transgender men competing with men on this amateur level  is a bit less of a problem and should be allowed. It's the other way around and at top levels where things are iffy.
Seems wrong to utterly deny them access to sport though they do have a natural advantage.

Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Solmyr

#624
December 29, 2018, 05:36:35 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 29, 2018, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 28, 2018, 06:26:05 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 27, 2018, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 27, 2018, 02:41:14 PM
Why not?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

Utter BS


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-second-texas-state-girls-championship/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39d389f7fbe9


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

A bit misrepresented in the reporting of the second one I've seen.  Odd you'd include it with the others since it's a case for the other pov.
The issue is its a FTM transgender person who due to conservative rules is forced to compete with women.
This being high school level there's no protections against doping.
Transgender men competing with men on this amateur level  is a bit less of a problem and should be allowed. It's the other way around and at top levels where things are iffy.
Seems wrong to utterly deny them access to sport though they do have a natural advantage.

Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

The true gender of a trans woman is woman. :huh:

11B4V

#625
December 29, 2018, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on December 29, 2018, 05:36:35 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 29, 2018, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 28, 2018, 06:26:05 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 27, 2018, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 27, 2018, 02:41:14 PM
Why not?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

Utter BS


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-second-texas-state-girls-championship/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.39d389f7fbe9


https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships

A bit misrepresented in the reporting of the second one I've seen.  Odd you'd include it with the others since it's a case for the other pov.
The issue is its a FTM transgender person who due to conservative rules is forced to compete with women.
This being high school level there's no protections against doping.
Transgender men competing with men on this amateur level  is a bit less of a problem and should be allowed. It's the other way around and at top levels where things are iffy.
Seems wrong to utterly deny them access to sport though they do have a natural advantage.

Then compete as your true gender. Or don't compete at all.

The true gender of a trans woman is woman. :huh:

Hogwash.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

DGuller

#626
December 29, 2018, 05:44:38 PM
For the clarity of communication, we probably need a different word from gender, to differentiate what you identify as from what you actually are.

11B4V

#627
December 29, 2018, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 29, 2018, 05:44:38 PM
For the clarity of communication, we probably need a different word from gender, to differentiate what you identify as from what you actually are.

Born with a Frank & Beans.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

PDH

#628
December 29, 2018, 06:31:28 PM
For sake of argument, let us say that "gender" is a culturally defined value that has some to do with biological sex but also includes individual and larger social identities.  Let us say that "sex" is the biological expression - most often XX or XY though with a number of other combinations.

When we say this, "gender" allows us to talk about cultures that have more than two, and "sex" allows us to talk about the genotype.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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"I'm pretty sure my level of depression has nothing to do with how much of a fucking asshole you are."

-CdM

Admiral Yi

#629
December 29, 2018, 06:52:21 PM
Male gender female sex is kind of a mouthful.
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