About those peaceful antifa protests...

[Razgovory]

Then he turned around and said he liked jews and hated Nazis. He's a weird dude with an ultra-abrasive sense of humor. But I don't think he was speaking for the Proud Boys when he said it.

This kind of reminds of when you were defending Randy Weaver from the accusation that he was in the Aryan Nations.  He just kept showing up to their rallies, that's all.

[Zoupa]

Then he turned around and said he liked jews and hated Nazis. He's a weird dude with an ultra-abrasive sense of humor. But I don't think he was speaking for the Proud Boys when he said it.

[grumbler]

...  There is a lot more to Fascist ideology than just racism and/or antisemitism.   

Precisely.  Fascism is an ideology, and claiming that people who don't hold that ideology are "fascists" or "Nazis" just makes the claimant sound emo and silly.

[Razgovory]

...  There is a lot more to Fascist ideology than just racism and/or antisemitism.   

Precisely.  Fascism is an ideology, and claiming that people who don't hold that ideology are "fascists" or "Nazis" just makes the claimant sound emo and silly.

You were calling everyone a Nazi last week!

[crazy canuck]

...or am I missing important differences between the two?

Yes, for starters the Red Scare was the creation of politicians in the US.  A certain senator comes to mind.  Today your president gives a wink and a nod to white nationalists.  Your comparison would work if he was Antifa.

[Eddie Teach]

I don't think that's a critical distinction. Yi was comparing two mindsets, not likening Trump to McCarthy.

[Sophie Scholl]

...  There is a lot more to Fascist ideology than just racism and/or antisemitism.   

Precisely.  Fascism is an ideology, and claiming that people who don't hold that ideology are "fascists" or "Nazis" just makes the claimant sound emo and silly.

One does not need to be a card carrying member of a Fascist organization or group to sympathize with, assist, or turn a blind eye to the actions of said groups though.

[grumbler]

...  There is a lot more to Fascist ideology than just racism and/or antisemitism.   

Precisely.  Fascism is an ideology, and claiming that people who don't hold that ideology are "fascists" or "Nazis" just makes the claimant sound emo and silly.

One does not need to be a card carrying member of a Fascist organization or group to sympathize with, assist, or turn a blind eye to the actions of said groups though.

So you are now arguing that there is NOT "a lot more to Fascist ideology than just racism and/or antisemitism?"  Or is your statement a non sequitur?  Fascists are fascists - they share a common ideology.  Nazis are a subset of Fascists, with a bunch of racism stuff thrown in.  The Communist party of the USSR (and the Third International, for that matter) assisted and turned a blind eye to the actions of Nazis.  Does this make Marxists into Nazis?

[derspiess]

Then he turned around and said he liked jews and hated Nazis. He's a weird dude with an ultra-abrasive sense of humor. But I don't think he was speaking for the Proud Boys when he said it.

This kind of reminds of when you were defending Randy Weaver from the accusation that he was in the Aryan Nations.  He just kept showing up to their rallies, that's all.

That was not what I said.  Please try to be honest.

[Eddie Teach]

Who is Randy Weaver, mutual friend?

[crazy canuck]

I don't think that's a critical distinction. Yi was comparing two mindsets, not likening Trump to McCarthy.

Ok, others might see a distinction between government actions and non governmental actions.

[dps]

Who is Randy Weaver, mutual friend?

The Ruby Ridge dude.

[Razgovory]

Then he turned around and said he liked jews and hated Nazis. He's a weird dude with an ultra-abrasive sense of humor. But I don't think he was speaking for the Proud Boys when he said it.

This kind of reminds of when you were defending Randy Weaver from the accusation that he was in the Aryan Nations.  He just kept showing up to their rallies, that's all.

That was not what I said.  Please try to be honest.

Aw, now you have gone and made me look through the files.

Is that the same thing as being okay with [Weaver]?  I've never been okay with him. 

Anyway, my impression was that he attended a couple of their meetings to make contacts with them since they more or less faced a common "enemy".  Extremist types do this a lot-- this does not necessarily mean a full endorsement of each other's views or agenda.  It's obviously bad enough that he didn't have any qualms about attending the meetings. 

Randy Weaver may well be a racist-- I don't know and really don't care.  He's sufficiently weird and marginalized to where it really doesn't make much difference to me.

http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,11445.125.html

[Weaver] apparently attended some of their meetings and then at some point had a falling out with them.  But my understanding is that various fringe groups/types tend to make contacts with each other.  He could have been a white supremicist.  Or he could have just been indifferent to it & wanted to make business contacts with them or whatever. 

But I guess we're splitting hairs here-- he was a big conspiracy nutter and certainly no hero to me.  I actually saw him once at a gun show in Maryland.  He was there selling/signing his book.  Oddly enough he wasn't getting much attention as both times I walked by his table he had nobody else there.  He had a really weird (crazy weird) look in his eyes but also seemed to be a bit sad/fatalistic.  Maybe because nobody was buying his book

http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,9578.100.html

Yeah.  Not sure [Weaver] was totally one of them, though.  But we've had that discussion before

http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,10497.1000.html

[derspiess]

Okay.

[Eddie Teach]

I don't think that's a critical distinction. Yi was comparing two mindsets, not likening Trump to McCarthy.

Ok, others might see a distinction between government actions and non governmental actions.

Was the blacklist a government action?