What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Tamas]

I don't know so much that it's relying on oral contracts, but rather under the common law a lot of common terms are set in the common law, like notice periods.  Such common law provisions can be contracted out of, but in the absence of a clear contract they would apply.

I am pretty sure that's the case in European countries as well. Hungary for certain. Still only losers and illegals don't get a contract

[The Minsky Moment]

I don't know so much that it's relying on oral contracts, but rather under the common law a lot of common terms are set in the common law, like notice periods.  Such common law provisions can be contracted out of, but in the absence of a clear contract they would apply.

Correct and in most if not all US states the default employment rule is that employment is at will. That is either side can cancel the arrangement at any time without penalty, and without obligation other than earned but unpaid comp. There are some state and federal statutory modifications and overrides but that is the baseline rule.

[The Minsky Moment]

I am pretty sure that's the case in European countries as well. Hungary for certain. Still only losers and illegals don't get a contract

Nah most continental Yuros use codes. Commonwealthies and Yanks use Dothraki law.  It isn't codified.  It is known.

[The Minsky Moment]

I don't see how it's better to do without written contracts.

It's better than merely "better".  It's American!!

[The Larch]

I am pretty sure that's the case in European countries as well. Hungary for certain. Still only losers and illegals don't get a contract

Nah most continental Yuros use codes. Commonwealthies and Yanks use Dothraki law.  It isn't codified.  It is known.

So it's a Common Law Vs. Civil Law issue, then?

[Valmy]

I don't see how it's better to do without written contracts.

It's better than merely "better".  It's American!!

I am sometimes very grateful that Parliament adopted the Gregorian Calendar in 1750 because if they had waited until the 1780s the United States would still be using the Julian Calendar. Everybody would have to convert their dates when dealing with us.

[The Minsky Moment]

So it's a Common Law Vs. Civil Law issue, then?

Yes although that distinction keeps eroding as common law countries codify more and more and as civil law countries increasingly implicitly or explicitly rely on prior court decisions in interpreting law.

[garbon]

Now, he's backed away from a national emergency.

[Syt]

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/424989-trump-chief-economic-adviser-furloughed-workers-are-better-off-because-they

Trump chief economic adviser: Furloughed workers are 'better off' because they didn't have to use vacation days

[Admiral Yi]

Furloughed workers do have a pretty good deal.  Stay home, then get paid anyway when Congress passes the inevitable make up bill.

[Monoriu]

Law firm associates don't have written contracts. Although there may be an offer letter that sets forth some basic terms.

I am a civil servant, and that's basically how it works for me as well. 

[dps]

Without a contract how do you determine which people are employees (and presumably are affected by policies)?

There are contracts, they just aren't in writing.  Oral contracts are valid in Anglo-American law subject to certain exceptions.  In small organizations everyone knows who everyone is.  Large organizations have HR departments.

Sure (it's the same in Sweden except when buying real estate and some other cases), but it seems a total hassle for big organizations to keep track of oral contracts, especially when there are disagreements regarding them. I don't see how it's better to do without written contracts.

How is it a hassle?  With written contracts, they don't have to keep track of the individual contract signed by each employee, just the policies that apply to different classes of employees.  In fact, even in unionized jobs, that's how it works--the individual employees don't have individual contracts, but are covered by the contract the union agrees to.

[The Brain]

Without a contract how do you determine which people are employees (and presumably are affected by policies)?

There are contracts, they just aren't in writing.  Oral contracts are valid in Anglo-American law subject to certain exceptions.  In small organizations everyone knows who everyone is.  Large organizations have HR departments.

Sure (it's the same in Sweden except when buying real estate and some other cases), but it seems a total hassle for big organizations to keep track of oral contracts, especially when there are disagreements regarding them. I don't see how it's better to do without written contracts.

How is it a hassle?  With written contracts, they don't have to keep track of the individual contract signed by each employee, just the policies that apply to different classes of employees.  In fact, even in unionized jobs, that's how it works--the individual employees don't have individual contracts, but are covered by the contract the union agrees to.

And which individuals are employees is known only through oral contracts, which opens up for all kinds of uncertainties. I think signing a half-page standard contract and filing it is time well spent.

[jimmy olsen]

Furloughed workers do have a pretty good deal.  Stay home, then get paid anyway when Congress passes the inevitable make up bill.

Doesn't help if you have bills that need to be paid now.

[dps]

Without a contract how do you determine which people are employees (and presumably are affected by policies)?

There are contracts, they just aren't in writing.  Oral contracts are valid in Anglo-American law subject to certain exceptions.  In small organizations everyone knows who everyone is.  Large organizations have HR departments.

Sure (it's the same in Sweden except when buying real estate and some other cases), but it seems a total hassle for big organizations to keep track of oral contracts, especially when there are disagreements regarding them. I don't see how it's better to do without written contracts.

How is it a hassle?  With written contracts, they don't have to keep track of the individual contract signed by each employee, just the policies that apply to different classes of employees.  In fact, even in unionized jobs, that's how it works--the individual employees don't have individual contracts, but are covered by the contract the union agrees to.

And which individuals are employees is known only through oral contracts, which opens up for all kinds of uncertainties. I think signing a half-page standard contract and filing it is time well spent.

Nah, there's a ton of paperwork that gets filled out, just none of it is a contract.  Though technically I guess a lot of it isn't paperwork anymore, since most of it is done electronically nowadays.