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The Brain

Quote from: celedhring on January 12, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 12, 2019, 03:18:41 PM
If we hadn't broken away, Europe would likely have stayed autocratic much longer.

Europe stayed autocratic very long, though. Most of the continent was under autocratic regimes at the dawn of WWI.

Most of the continent? I don't see it.
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Solmyr

Quote from: The Brain on January 12, 2019, 04:37:47 PM
Sweden was autocratic 1680-1719 and again 1772-1809. I don't see either 1719 or 1809 as being caused by American or French revolutions, in both cases the most obvious cause was the regime having lost a major war. Autocratic regimes had risen and fallen across Europe for centuries before 1776/1789, and indeed have continued to do so since.

1809 was more or less caused by the French revolution, because Napoleon.

It's probably correct to say, though, that Europe finally shed much of its autocracy as a result of WWI.

celedhring

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Quote from: The Brain on January 12, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: celedhring on January 12, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 12, 2019, 03:18:41 PM
If we hadn't broken away, Europe would likely have stayed autocratic much longer.

Europe stayed autocratic very long, though. Most of the continent was under autocratic regimes at the dawn of WWI.

Most of the continent? I don't see it.

Everything east of the Rhine was pretty much under an autocracy or other. Spain wasn't fully autocratic but its constitutional monarchy was a sham. Portugal had just got its Republic, I assume Italy was democratic enough, certainly France, no idea about the low countries, and you scandos were democratic except for the bits that Russia still owned.

Valmy

Quote from: Solmyr on January 12, 2019, 05:15:02 PM

It's probably correct to say, though, that Europe finally shed much of its autocracy as a result of WWI.

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The Brain

Quote from: Solmyr on January 12, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 12, 2019, 04:37:47 PM
Sweden was autocratic 1680-1719 and again 1772-1809. I don't see either 1719 or 1809 as being caused by American or French revolutions, in both cases the most obvious cause was the regime having lost a major war. Autocratic regimes had risen and fallen across Europe for centuries before 1776/1789, and indeed have continued to do so since.

1809 was more or less caused by the French revolution, because Napoleon.


:lol: Cause war with Russia didn't happen all the time before the French revolution.
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The Brain

Quote from: celedhring on January 12, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 12, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: celedhring on January 12, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 12, 2019, 03:18:41 PM
If we hadn't broken away, Europe would likely have stayed autocratic much longer.

Europe stayed autocratic very long, though. Most of the continent was under autocratic regimes at the dawn of WWI.

Most of the continent? I don't see it.

Everything east of the Rhine was pretty much under an autocracy or other. Spain wasn't fully autocratic but its constitutional monarchy was a sham. Portugal had just got its Republic, I assume Italy was democratic enough, certainly France, no idea about the low countries, and you scandos were democratic except for the bits that Russia still owned.

Germany wasn't autocratic. Austria-Hungary wasn't autocratic.
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Solmyr

Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2019, 12:51:57 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 12, 2019, 05:15:02 PM

It's probably correct to say, though, that Europe finally shed much of its autocracy as a result of WWI.

Your avatar is Stalin...

It's for our boardgame on the Games forum. And I didn't say it was permanent. For several years after 1917, Russia was not much more autocratic (as in, one person makes all the decisions) than many other European countries.

Solmyr

Quote from: The Brain on January 13, 2019, 02:09:17 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 12, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 12, 2019, 04:37:47 PM
Sweden was autocratic 1680-1719 and again 1772-1809. I don't see either 1719 or 1809 as being caused by American or French revolutions, in both cases the most obvious cause was the regime having lost a major war. Autocratic regimes had risen and fallen across Europe for centuries before 1776/1789, and indeed have continued to do so since.

1809 was more or less caused by the French revolution, because Napoleon.


:lol: Cause war with Russia didn't happen all the time before the French revolution.

Sure they did, but you specifically mentioned 1809, which did happen as a direct result of the French revolutionary/Napoleonic wars.

Eddie Teach

And all those previous wars didn't lead to a new form of government.
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The Brain

Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2019, 02:32:40 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 13, 2019, 02:09:17 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 12, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 12, 2019, 04:37:47 PM
Sweden was autocratic 1680-1719 and again 1772-1809. I don't see either 1719 or 1809 as being caused by American or French revolutions, in both cases the most obvious cause was the regime having lost a major war. Autocratic regimes had risen and fallen across Europe for centuries before 1776/1789, and indeed have continued to do so since.

1809 was more or less caused by the French revolution, because Napoleon.


:lol: Cause war with Russia didn't happen all the time before the French revolution.

Sure they did, but you specifically mentioned 1809, which did happen as a direct result of the French revolutionary/Napoleonic wars.

I think you are being deliberately obtuse.
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The Brain

Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 13, 2019, 02:38:06 AM
And all those previous wars didn't lead to a new form of government.

:huh: I explicitly mentioned 1719.
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The Larch

QuotePresident Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka Trump is one of a small handful of Trump administration officials being considered for the head of the World Bank after its Obama-appointed head Jim Yong Kim resigned suddenly this week, shocking staffers, the Financial Times reported Friday.

:wacko:

alfred russel

Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2019, 03:08:56 PM

Your narrative doesn't explain how Canada developed better worker protections and benefits.

There are a lot of answers to that, but in addition to what was already stated, even today Canada is not as well off as the US on a per capita basis. The climate is not as conducive to agriculture for starters.
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Quote from: The Larch on January 13, 2019, 10:40:28 AM
QuotePresident Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka Trump is one of a small handful of Trump administration officials being considered for the head of the World Bank after its Obama-appointed head Jim Yong Kim resigned suddenly this week, shocking staffers, the Financial Times reported Friday.

:wacko:

:D It could be worse.

mongers

Which historical figure would you say Trump most closely resembles in behaviour?


I suggest Henry VIII of England.
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