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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Jacob

I agree that a free press is essential to a functioning democracy. I do not think that groups organizing to pressure advertisers to not put their marketing money into odious outlets is a threat to the free press at this point, not even remotely. The pressure they exert on the the nature and direction of the discourse pales in comparison to the influence of various oligarchs and their money - whether we're talking people like Murdoch and his media empire or the Mercers funding Breitbart.

Even with the oligarchs I think that's probably alright even if I'm not fond of most of them or the political agendas they successfully peddle via their outlets.

To me "free press" means "free from government censorship" combined with a diverse set of views being represented. It does not mean that any given outlet has a right to advertising dollars with no connection made to the advertisers in the public mind.

garbon

Quote from: The Brain on June 20, 2017, 12:04:55 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 20, 2017, 07:29:46 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 20, 2017, 07:18:13 AM
I don't even see how the idea of using public pressure to influence advertising dollars is remotely a "dangerous strategy" anyway.

Advertising is, by its nature, a public attempt to influence buying habits. How is it not fair pool to turn around and use it to influence "journalists" who are apparently motivated by nothing other than their need for those advertising dollars?
It's a dangerous tactic because what if causes like gay rights are viewed as toxic to advertisers?  Sometimes the right things are not popular at first, it can cut both ways.  We're lucky that the buying power is heavily tilted to the progressive side these days, but that's not always going to be the case.

Yes, what if people have the... *gasp* wrong opinions on stuff??!? :o

Then you re-educate them.
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Quote from: garbon on June 20, 2017, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 20, 2017, 12:04:55 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 20, 2017, 07:29:46 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 20, 2017, 07:18:13 AM
I don't even see how the idea of using public pressure to influence advertising dollars is remotely a "dangerous strategy" anyway.

Advertising is, by its nature, a public attempt to influence buying habits. How is it not fair pool to turn around and use it to influence "journalists" who are apparently motivated by nothing other than their need for those advertising dollars?
It's a dangerous tactic because what if causes like gay rights are viewed as toxic to advertisers?  Sometimes the right things are not popular at first, it can cut both ways.  We're lucky that the buying power is heavily tilted to the progressive side these days, but that's not always going to be the case.

Yes, what if people have the... *gasp* wrong opinions on stuff??!? :o

Then you re-educate them.

perhaps in a camp of some sort?
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garbon

Quote from: HVC on June 20, 2017, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 20, 2017, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 20, 2017, 12:04:55 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 20, 2017, 07:29:46 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 20, 2017, 07:18:13 AM
I don't even see how the idea of using public pressure to influence advertising dollars is remotely a "dangerous strategy" anyway.

Advertising is, by its nature, a public attempt to influence buying habits. How is it not fair pool to turn around and use it to influence "journalists" who are apparently motivated by nothing other than their need for those advertising dollars?
It's a dangerous tactic because what if causes like gay rights are viewed as toxic to advertisers?  Sometimes the right things are not popular at first, it can cut both ways.  We're lucky that the buying power is heavily tilted to the progressive side these days, but that's not always going to be the case.

Yes, what if people have the... *gasp* wrong opinions on stuff??!? :o

Then you re-educate them.

perhaps in a camp of some sort?

In a theatre.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

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Admiral Yi

Syt, didn't you just break the law?  :hmm:

Valmy

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 20, 2017, 02:53:36 PM
Syt, didn't you just break the law?  :hmm:

He lives in Austria. He can post about all the Nazi stuff he wants.
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Did Syt delete a post or did Yi misread Viper's name?
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Valmy

Quote from: Eddie Teach on June 20, 2017, 03:13:42 PM
Did Syt delete a post or did Yi misread Viper's name?

I just figured Yi misplaced a post that was supposed to be in the Argentina Nazi hoard thread.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

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Syt

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 20, 2017, 02:53:36 PM
Syt, didn't you just break the law?  :hmm:

Referring to the Argentine nazi stash: Copyright law, maybe, because I didn't have authorization to reproduce the story or images. But other than that, no. Swastikas etc. as part of a news story, historical essay, movies etc. are fine as long as you're not glorifying nazism or deny the facts of the holocaust.

If I decided to wear a swastika t-shirt or paint my car with SS-runes it would be a different matter.
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While I greatly appreciate the efforts of President Xi & China to help with North Korea, it has not worked out. At least I know China tried!
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I really wish he would stop doing this.  Insane sociopath strongmen don't like being vaguely threatened by being referred to in the past tense, and I doubt Kim does, either.

mongers

Quote from: Syt on June 20, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 20, 2017, 02:53:36 PM
Syt, didn't you just break the law?  :hmm:

Referring to the Argentine nazi stash: Copyright law, maybe, because I didn't have authorization to reproduce the story or images. But other than that, no. Swastikas etc. as part of a news story, historical essay, movies etc. are fine as long as you're not glorifying nazism or deny the facts of the holocaust.

If I decided to wear a swastika t-shirt or paint my car with SS-runes it would be a different matter.

So like in Germany you can't buy a model kit with accurate decals?
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