What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[The Minsky Moment]

Once again, the Biden administration actually carried out Trump's rhetoric into reality than Trump's actual administration did. For one thing, he actually got out of Afghanistan as opposed to just talking about it.

[The Minsky Moment]

I would like to know what guaranteed neutrality means.

It's a humiliation for the United States, unless you assume that US will be out of NATO by the time the peace deal is inked, which is apparently the Vance plan.

[Grey Fox]

Vance is a new school capitalist. Money is the only thing that matters. Empire building is not important. Morals are only good in service of making more money.

[DGuller]

I think Trump's return to a traditional "no foreign entanglements" is a big part of his appeal - and tapping into some deep resonances in America. Taken with his record in office of a foreign policy had the odd punitive strike but basically not really any new conflicts or bases - I believe the Saudis were genuinely shocked after Iran attacked their air fields because they thought they had security guarantees from the US when it turns out they didn't.

I don't agree with his approach (but I wouldn't, I live in a foreign entanglement), but I'm not sure I've really seen an effective response to it from Democrats or even whatever remains of anti-Trump Republicans.

I've been thinking about it a while back.  The trouble with foreign policy in today's world is that it's the ultimate elitist endeavor.  The voters, even the well-informed and non-stupid ones, just don't have enough knowledge or understanding to know what and how things should be done in foreign policy.  All the voters can observe are the costs of active foreign policy, which tend to be more obvious and more immediate than the rewards.

[Zoupa]

If the US abandons Ukraine, I think there will definitely be a big hit to their soft power in Europe, SK, Japan and Taiwan.

[Sheilbh]

Once again, the Biden administration actually carried out Trump's rhetoric into reality than Trump's actual administration did. For one thing, he actually got out of Afghanistan as opposed to just talking about it.

Yep. Arguably part of the tragedy of Biden, as well as a very successful domestic agenda (not a million miles from what Trump) talked about, is also delivering on pulling out of endless foreign wars and bringing 20 years in Afghanistan to an end.

Problem is I don't think (mainstream) Democrats are able talk about it in that way, maybe because they're afraid of being painted as peaceniks. But it doesn't leave much for how you present that policy (which was absolutely the right thing to do). And, of course, we've seen this before - Obama wanted to pivot to Asia but was dragged back to focusing on Europe and the Middle East by politics there. The same has happened with Biden.

I've been thinking about it a while back.  The trouble with foreign policy in today's world is that it's the ultimate elitist endeavor.  The voters, even the well-informed and non-stupid ones, just don't have enough knowledge or understanding to know what and how things should be done in foreign policy.  All the voters can observe are the costs of active foreign policy, which tend to be more obvious and more immediate than the rewards.

I think foreign policy has always been that.

I think there was a consensus across both parties but I think it is also a consensus that runs across very deep traditions in America. It was contingent - the 20th century would look quite different if Taft had won after the war - and I don't think it's a surprise that in 1992 you have Buchanan and Perot.

On foreign policy and other things I think there's been a broadly liberal consensus, that has been able at different points to accommodate the left and right over the last 70 years. But I don't think it's been fundamentally challenged (except maybe by the Communists in, say, Italy) - and I think it shows. I think it's supporters are out of practice in making the argument so struggle with someone trying to contest it beyond just reaction.

I wonder if that's why in Europe the traditional parties do best with older voters (who remember the case for that system) while younger voters are going for anti-system parties of far-right and left.

[Razgovory]

I kinda want to see how they are going to remove 11+ million people.  They are talking about setting up camps, but you will need a lot of camps to accommodate 11 million people.

[frunk]

Don't worry, the US's prison industry is eager to give it a shot.

[Tamas]

I kinda want to see how they are going to remove 11+ million people.  They are talking about setting up camps, but you will need a lot of camps to accommodate 11 million people.

You just need concentrated camps.

[viper37]

Vance is a new school capitalist. Money is the only thing that matters. Empire building is not important. Morals are only good in service of making more money.

short term money.

Empire building is good for long term growth, but it costs money in the short term.

It's the difference between building a company and investing in predatory hedge funds.

[Tonitrus]

In the vein of telling lots about a person by who they surround themselves with at important times...

There was a video that popped up on my YT feed (since taken down for copyright but rips seemed to have popped up on other random channels...link), an excerpt from a video/documentary on Trump's campaign.  It was footage of Trump watching/live Truth-Social-ing during Harris' speech at the DN convention.  The video is polished enough that is probably impossible to tell how slick/genuine it really was...but who was in the room?

A pretty good rogue's gallery...
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- Susie Wiles (of course...but she mostly looked checked out)
- Matt Gaetz
- Tulsi Gabbard
- A bunch of other flunkies
- And...Oliver fucking Stone.

[The Minsky Moment]

I- Matt Gaetz
- Tulsi Gabbard
- And...Oliver fucking Stone.

Common element: all pro-Putin.

[Admiral Yi]

Bloomberg says Rubio at State, Mike Walz (FL rep) at NSA, Elise Stefanik  at UN.  *Likely*

[HVC]

I- Matt Gaetz
- Tulsi Gabbard
- And...Oliver fucking Stone.

Common element: all pro-Putin.

Where's Otto to tell everyone Trumps not pro Putin?

[Solmyr]

I- Matt Gaetz
- Tulsi Gabbard
- And...Oliver fucking Stone.

Common element: all pro-Putin.

Where's Otto to tell everyone Trumps not pro Putin?

He still hasn't stopped jizzing.