What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Barrister]

Nonsense.  The West won the Cold war and the two decades following its conclusion. The third decade was probably a tie between the US and China, and Trump's election will probably give the fourth decade after the end of the CW to China.

Your argument is the equivalent of saying that Germany didn't win the Franco-Prussian War because, in hindsight, they lost WW1.

Maybe. I think there's an argument that the US won the Cold War in Europe and believed that ended it, but never achieved more than a stalemate in Asia.

China was always a massive outlier in the Cold War.  I mean sure - the US (through the UN) fought a massive undeclared war against communist China in Korea in the 1950s.  But pretty rapidly you had the Sino-Soviet split of the 1960s, which the US felt would be to their advantage Leading to the "Nixon goes to China" moment and recognition of the PRC in the 1970s.

Plus, since communism never fell in China, whatever conflict the West had with the PRC never fully ended (even though in the 90s under Deng we thought we could just gradually absorb them into the western world).


This is a massive swerve, but I'm reminded of the old P&P RPG Twilight:2000, which posited a future WWIII in the 1990s.  It was published in 1984, which leads to some of the oddity of the sides - if I recall you had Romania joining the Western pact (because Romania under Ceaucescu had broken with the Warsaw Pact), similarly Yugoslavia, while Frenca stayed out of the whole thing (due to France withdrawing from NATO joint command).  And of course - the whole thing started with a Sino-Soviet War.

All of which kind-of, sort-of made sense in 1984, but with hindsight was all completely ridiculous.  France was still a western democracy, Romania was still a communist dictatorship.

[crazy canuck]

Nonsense.  The West won the Cold war and the two decades following its conclusion. The third decade was probably a tie between the US and China, and Trump's election will probably give the fourth decade after the end of the CW to China.

Your argument is the equivalent of saying that Germany didn't win the Franco-Prussian War because, in hindsight, they lost WW1.

Maybe. I think there's an argument that the US won the Cold War in Europe and believed that ended it, but never achieved more than a stalemate in Asia.

I am not sure N. Korea counts as either a cold war or a stalemate.

[HVC]

Moving out of the musk thread, but I have a question about the 22nd amendment. I get the term limits, makes sense, but what's the logic behind the citizenship thing? Keep commie infiltrators out?

[crazy canuck]

The CBC played a funny interview of someone on the Street in Kyiv.  "If it takes until Friday, that's ok. We can wait."

[Barrister]

Moving out of the musk thread, but I have a question about the 22nd amendment. I get the term limits, makes sense, but what's the logic behind the citizenship thing? Keep commie infiltrators out?

Which citizenship thing?  The "natural born citizen" limit for President, or birthright citizenship?

A few seconds of googling suggests this answer: which is borthright citizenship is a long-standing common-law right, whereas "natural born citizen" was just put in the Constitution without any debate so who the fuck knows.

[Razgovory]

Moving out of the musk thread, but I have a question about the 22nd amendment. I get the term limits, makes sense, but what's the logic behind the citizenship thing? Keep commie infiltrators out?

What are you talking about?  The 22nd amendment doesn't mention citizenship.

[HVC]

Moving out of the musk thread, but I have a question about the 22nd amendment. I get the term limits, makes sense, but what's the logic behind the citizenship thing? Keep commie infiltrators out?

Which citizenship thing?  The "natural born citizen" limit for President, or birthright citizenship?

A few seconds of googling suggests this answer: which is borthright citizenship is a long-standing common-law right, whereas "natural born citizen" was just put in the Constitution without any debate so who the fuck knows.

Sorry, the natural born part.

[HVC]

Moving out of the musk thread, but I have a question about the 22nd amendment. I get the term limits, makes sense, but what's the logic behind the citizenship thing? Keep commie infiltrators out?

What are you talking about?  The 22nd amendment doesn't mention citizenship.

D'oh. My bad.