What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[The Minsky Moment]

Repeat after me: removing birthright citizenship does not mean citizens get deported.

OK.

Removing birthright citizenship does not mean citizens get deported.

It does mean that existing citizens would lose their citizenship.  And then get deported. 

That's not very reassuring.

[HVC]

they won't be citizens anymore when they're deported, so he's technically correct. The best kind of correct.

[chipwich]

It does not mean that that existing citizens would lose their citizenship. If this is the brainpower of the left then it is becoming very obvious why Trump won.

[grumbler]

It does not mean that that existing citizens would lose their citizenship. If this is the brainpower of the left then it is becoming very obvious why Trump won.

You have no idea what Trump means because Trump has no idea what Trump means. If this is the brainpower of the right then it is becoming very obvious why Trump won by promising nothing whatsoever but unicorns.

[The Minsky Moment]

It does not mean that that existing citizens would lose their citizenship.

It proposes to state that the 14th amendment and 8 USC 1401(a) do not apply to persons born in the US to non-citizens who are not LPRs.

The effect of that legal interpretation is that from the POV of the Executive Branch, existing citizens in the US that fall into that category will not be citizens anymore.

As announced, the proposed order does not contemplate an immediate deportation of such persons.  But that is simply a matter of temporary administrative discretion that could be changed at any time.

[chipwich]

Trump's press release, as linked in the article, makes no reference to removing citizenship from current citizens

If you want to say that Trump will just make up whatever policy on a whim and the courts will affirm it then I can't stop you and there's plenty of evidence that will happen but don't get surprised when latino voters vote for a Trump that might be different than the Trump you made up in your head.

[Grey Fox]

It does not mean that that existing citizens would lose their citizenship. If this is the brainpower of the left then it is becoming very obvious why Trump won.

Ok, Gaijin de Moscou. We get it, no one is invading Ukraine.

[chipwich]

What the fuck.

[The Minsky Moment]

Trump's press release, as linked in the article, makes no reference to removing citizenship from current citizens

It says the following:
"It will explain the clear meaning of the 14th Amendment, that U.S. Citizenship extends only to those both born in AND 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States."

That is a reference to a legal argument that the 14th amendment grant of birthright citizenship does not extend to persons born in the US to non-citizens and non-LPRs.

The legal effect of such a declaration is that all such persons will no longer be deemed citizens by the executive branch.

So it does refer to removing citizenship from current US citizens if you understand what the words in the proposed order mean. 

It may very well be that Trump doesn't understand that because it is something that is written and he would have to read it, which is a challenge for him.  But the people who drafted it do understand what it means and what it does, and Trump will sign it. 

[Josquius]

It does not mean that that existing citizens would lose their citizenship. If this is the brainpower of the left then it is becoming very obvious why Trump won.

I would not be so sure.
"Remigration" is a big trending buzz word with his peers on the far right. With vance being such a terminally online sort I'd absolutely expect some push for this.
Obviously not paper bag testing and random deportation. But maybe stuff like dual citizens getting in trouble for the slightest thing losing their citizenship, the mentioned hijinks about retroactively eliminating jus soli, and so on.
Plus of course there's a lot of non citizens out there married to citizens, filling essential jobs, being the cornerstone of communities, etc...

[Zoupa]

I mean, "They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs" proved a more effective message than "Let me help you buy your first house."

You get the politicians you deserve.

[The Minsky Moment]

An executive order is a legal document with legal effect.

The purpose of this EO is to advance a legal interpretation of a provision in the 14th Amendment and the US Code.  The drafters of EO know it will be challenged in the courts.  That is WAD.  They are hoping that the Supreme Court  will accept that interpretation.  If that were to happen, existing US citizens WILL lose their citizenship, full stop. Indeed, the effect will be as if they never were citizens.

[chipwich]

It's very sad that the left is fighting a right of their own imagination and leaving the actual right untouched.

[The Minsky Moment]

It's very sad that the left is fighting a right of their own imagination and leaving the actual right untouched.

I'm not fighting anyone, I'm doing what I usually do in my day job.  Reading a legal text and explaining what it means and what its legal effect is.  No one drafts an EO intending for the Courts to reject it.  They draft it intending for the Courts to uphold it.  If the courts upheld this EO, it would strip many existing US citizens of their citizenship. They would lose all rights of citizenship and their right to stay would depend on the goodwill and sufferance of the administration of the day.

[Admiral Yi]

OK.

Removing birthright citizenship does not mean citizens get deported.

It does mean that existing citizens would lose their citizenship.  And then get deported. 

That's not very reassuring.

I watched the clip.  He said "going forward."

Christ, I'm on chipwich's side.