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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: Sheilbh on November 07, 2024, 02:56:26 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 07, 2024, 01:49:07 PMNonsense.  The West won the Cold war and the two decades following its conclusion. The third decade was probably a tie between the US and China, and Trump's election will probably give the fourth decade after the end of the CW to China.

Your argument is the equivalent of saying that Germany didn't win the Franco-Prussian War because, in hindsight, they lost WW1.
Maybe. I think there's an argument that the US won the Cold War in Europe and believed that ended it, but never achieved more than a stalemate in Asia.

China was a slightly sneaky member of the international order until Kaiser Wilhelm II Xi Jinping became the president.  Like Germany, China would be better off as a "satisfied power" than a boat-rocker.
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Quote from: Barrister on November 07, 2024, 04:07:28 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 07, 2024, 02:56:26 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 07, 2024, 01:49:07 PMNonsense.  The West won the Cold war and the two decades following its conclusion. The third decade was probably a tie between the US and China, and Trump's election will probably give the fourth decade after the end of the CW to China.

Your argument is the equivalent of saying that Germany didn't win the Franco-Prussian War because, in hindsight, they lost WW1.
Maybe. I think there's an argument that the US won the Cold War in Europe and believed that ended it, but never achieved more than a stalemate in Asia.

China was always a massive outlier in the Cold War.  I mean sure - the US (through the UN) fought a massive undeclared war against communist China in Korea in the 1950s.  But pretty rapidly you had the Sino-Soviet split of the 1960s, which the US felt would be to their advantage Leading to the "Nixon goes to China" moment and recognition of the PRC in the 1970s.

Plus, since communism never fell in China, whatever conflict the West had with the PRC never fully ended (even though in the 90s under Deng we thought we could just gradually absorb them into the western world).


This is a massive swerve, but I'm reminded of the old P&P RPG Twilight:2000, which posited a future WWIII in the 1990s.  It was published in 1984, which leads to some of the oddity of the sides - if I recall you had Romania joining the Western pact (because Romania under Ceaucescu had broken with the Warsaw Pact), similarly Yugoslavia, while Frenca stayed out of the whole thing (due to France withdrawing from NATO joint command).  And of course - the whole thing started with a Sino-Soviet War.

All of which kind-of, sort-of made sense in 1984, but with hindsight was all completely ridiculous.  France was still a western democracy, Romania was still a communist dictatorship.

Yes. China certainly suffered disturbances at the end of the cold war, but the regime survived and their main enemy, the USSR, fell.
China absolutely won the cold war. They were roughly on the same side as the US and they're the ones who have benefitted most from the new order.
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Barrister

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 08, 2024, 11:41:22 AMThe party that put Aileen Cannon on the bench has no right to talk about DEI or merit hiring

I know Cannon hasn't covered herself in glory in the documents case, but prior to her appointment she clerked, was a corporate law associate for 3 years, then a federal prosecutor in Florida for 8 years.

Maybe a little thin, but seems suitable enough.  She's only a district court judge.
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That's ridiculously thin for a federal district judge.

District judge preside over trials, experience is even more important than for an appeals court judge. Until recently only an experienced law firm partner with heavy trial experience or 20+ years in government was standard.

A third year associate who first chair prosecuted a handful of drug offenses? Insulting
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Tamas

The way this next Trump presidency will look like I guess is just how, apparently, President-elect Trump handed over the phone to Musk yesterday when he was talking to Zelensky.


Razgovory

Quote from: Tamas on November 08, 2024, 03:22:30 PMThe way this next Trump presidency will look like I guess is just how, apparently, President-elect Trump handed over the phone to Musk yesterday when he was talking to Zelensky.


That's ominous.
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Ukraine's fucked. You could maybe deal with Trump. You can't pry Russia love out of a White South African.
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Barrister

So I have a sentiment on all of the pro-Ukraine accounts on Twitter I see - that Biden was pretty bad in limiting Ukraine, and Trump likes to "win", so perhaps he'll be better?

I appreciate the optimism, but I don't share it.

Zelenskyy (and Ukraine) has never done anything to screw over Trump - Zelenskyy was willing to go along with the Hunter Biden "investigation" Trump wanted which led to Trump's first impeachment, but I can't help but think that Trump's instincts are "fuck Ukraine".

If Trump becomes a stalwart defender of Ukraine I will do a complete 180 and sing hossanas to his name.
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HVC

While trump has a long history of screwing over partners and hands that feed him i don't think he'll turn on Putin.

Beyind the very real possiblity of incriminating documents, He believes the shirtless bear wrestling propaganda. There nothing Trump craves more then acting tough. And having tough people praise him feeds into that need
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.